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boundary="------------c0cZQJCxF6TuvV80E5sd0yux"; protected-headers="v1" From: Demi Marie Obenour To: Alyssa Ross Cc: Spectrum OS Development Message-ID: <0c96ea29-ecf8-416e-b1d6-4b3e1c2371e6@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [PATCH v3] Run PipeWire and WirePlumber in the VMs References: <638beeaa-2351-4f51-81a6-bc58883930c2@gmail.com> <87seiyg6w2.fsf@alyssa.is> In-Reply-To: --------------c0cZQJCxF6TuvV80E5sd0yux Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------RklfNSc8Ushb7yKmdpTPUPGY" --------------RklfNSc8Ushb7yKmdpTPUPGY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 7/16/25 17:16, Demi Marie Obenour wrote: > On 7/14/25 10:54, Alyssa Ross wrote: >> Demi Marie Obenour writes: >> >>> WirePlumber is completely overkill as a session manager here, and >>> ideally a trivial session manager would be used instead. I did build= a >>> Spectrum OS image and found that PipeWire and WirePlumber both >>> successfully started. PipeWire is configured to listen on the >>> PulseAudio socket, so PulseAudio compatibility works. This does inje= ct >>> a large number of completely unnecessary files into the VM, notably f= or >>> libcamera and Bluetooth support. >> >> Yeah, I saw this in the log: >> >> N 14:27:54.810067 wp-internal-comp-l ../lib/wp/private/internal-comp-l= oader.c:588:on_component_loaded: optional component '= support.logind [module: libwireplumber-module-logind]' failed to load: fa= iled to start systemd logind monitor: -2 (No such file or directory) >> N 14:27:54.811299 wp-internal-comp-l ../lib/wp/private/internal-comp-l= oader.c:640:wp_component_array_load_task_execute_step: skipping component 'monitor.bluez.seat-monitoring [virtual]' because so= me of its dependencies were not loaded >> E 14:27:54.851210 spa.dbus ../spa/plugins/support/dbus.c:333= :impl_connection_get: Failed to connect to system bus: Failed to connect = to socket /run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory >> E 14:27:54.852143 spa.bluez5 ../spa/plugins/bluez5/bluez5-dbus= =2Ec:6632:impl_init: failed to get dbus connection >> N 14:27:54.855904 wp-device ../lib/wp/device.c:710:wp_spa_dev= ice_new_from_spa_factory: SPA handle 'api.bluez5.enum.dbus' could not be = loaded; is it installed? >> N 14:27:54.856657 s-monitors bluez.lua:411:createMonitor: Pipe= Wire's BlueZ SPA plugin is missing or broken. Bluetooth devices will not = be supported. >> E 14:27:54.859091 spa.bluez5.midi ../spa/plugins/bluez5/midi-enum.c= :805:impl_init: Creating GDBus connection failed: Could not connect: No s= uch file or directory >> N 14:27:54.859810 wp-device ../lib/wp/device.c:710:wp_spa_dev= ice_new_from_spa_factory: SPA handle 'api.bluez5.midi.enum' could not be = loaded; is it installed? >> N 14:27:54.860524 s-monitors bluez-midi.lua:95:createMonitor: = PipeWire's BlueZ MIDI SPA missing or broken. Bluetooth not supported. >> E 14:27:54.861346 spa.bluez5.midi.no ../spa/plugins/bluez5/midi-node.c= :1989:impl_init: failed to get dbus connection: Could not connect: No suc= h file or directory >> E 14:27:54.862435 pw.resource ../src/pipewire/resource.c:255:pw= _resource_errorf_id: can't create node: Input/output error >> W 14:27:54.863275 wp-node ../lib/wp/node.c:913:wp_impl_node= _new_from_pw_factory: failed to create node from factory 'spa-node-factor= y' >> N 14:27:54.863965 s-monitors bluez-midi.lua:130:createServers:= Failed to create BLE MIDI server. >> [0:00:01.314658075] [123] INFO IPAManager ipa_manager.cpp:137 libcame= ra is not installed. Adding '/nix/store/src/ipa' to the IPA search path >> [0:00:01.321611889] [123] INFO Camera camera_manager.cpp:326 libcamer= a v0.5.0 >> >> Can we set something in a config file or something to disable this ext= ra >> stuff? > I'm working on it, but I ran into a problem: I can't install vim in the= guest! > Adding it to the list of packages doesn't work; I still don't have a Vi= m binary > in the guest. Without that, I have to rebuild the VM every time I want= to make > a change, which makes it very hard to iterate while I figure out how to= make > PipeWire talk to an emulated virtio-sound device QEMU provides. 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