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boundary="------------kRLggl0oY0MPXUKhBPsvF6d4"; protected-headers="v1" From: Demi Marie Obenour To: Alyssa Ross , Spectrum OS Development Message-ID: <2d817673-7b5a-425b-9b81-38b7ac9e0edc@gmail.com> Subject: Re: 'make clean' followed by 'make' in the same Nix shell doesn't work References: <5d8998cb-0280-452a-8c98-959f472f3ddc@gmail.com> <87frefdvng.fsf@alyssa.is> <35c65948-8987-4367-9b65-5022c297f3f3@gmail.com> <87bjottvfz.fsf@alyssa.is> In-Reply-To: <87bjottvfz.fsf@alyssa.is> --------------kRLggl0oY0MPXUKhBPsvF6d4 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------h7wtQQvAl2l2zt76NUEkp0ie" --------------h7wtQQvAl2l2zt76NUEkp0ie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 8/5/25 15:33, Alyssa Ross wrote: > Demi Marie Obenour writes: >=20 >> On 7/29/25 08:33, Alyssa Ross wrote: >>> Demi Marie Obenour writes: >>> >>>> The following command fails to rebuild the image: >>>> >>>> $ nix-shell --run 'make clean && make run-qemu' >>>> >>>> The following command succeeds: >>>> >>>> $ nix-shell --pure --run 'make clean' && nix-shell --pure --run 'mak= e run-qemu' >>>> >>>> Interactive Nix shells exhibit the same problems, and adding >>>> --pure to the first invocation does not help. >>> >>> Works for me on 560fd87 in img/app. What were you testing? Logs? >> >> I think the problem only arises when there is a dependency that >> default.nix knows about but the makefile doesn't. nix-shell >> appears to import default.nix directly, so >> >> $ nix-build default.nix >> >> inside a Nix shell does not update various paths (like the path >> to the kernel) that the makefile needs. >> >> I think it would be better for the makefile to import the >> variables from Nix if possible. >=20 > Yeah, that's not how it works. You need to exit and re-enter the shell= =2E > nix-build will not update your shell environment, and that's where Make= > variables come from. Ack. I think it is best to recommend (perhaps in the docs?) that one run= `nix-shell --pure --run 'make THINGS'`, which avoids all of these problem= s. Providing a that did that would be ideal and should be fairly straightfor= ward. Using an interactive shell can be an optimization, but it can also result= in silently broken builds for at least the reason you mentioned, so I think = it is best to discourage it except in the repository root. --=20 Sincerely, Demi Marie Obenour (she/her/hers) --------------h7wtQQvAl2l2zt76NUEkp0ie Content-Type: application/pgp-keys; name="OpenPGP_0xB288B55FFF9C22C1.asc" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="OpenPGP_0xB288B55FFF9C22C1.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP public key Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- xsFNBFp+A0oBEADffj6anl9/BHhUSxGTICeVl2tob7hPDdhHNgPR4C8xlYt5q49y B+l2nipdaq+4Gk6FZfqC825TKl7eRpUjMriwle4r3R0ydSIGcy4M6eb0IcxmuPYf bWpr/si88QKgyGSVZ7GeNW1UnzTdhYHuFlk8dBSmB1fzhEYEk0RcJqg4AKoq6/3/ UorR+FaSuVwT7rqzGrTlscnTDlPWgRzrQ3jssesI7sZLm82E3pJSgaUoCdCOlL7M MPCJwI8JpPlBedRpe9tfVyfu3euTPLPxwcV3L/cfWPGSL4PofBtB8NUU6QwYiQ9H zx4xOyn67zW73/G0Q2vPPRst8LBDqlxLjbtx/WLR6h3nBc3eyuZ+q62HS1pJ5EvU 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