From: Demi Marie Obenour <demiobenour@gmail.com>
To: Alyssa Ross <hi@alyssa.is>
Cc: Spectrum OS Development <devel@spectrum-os.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/7] host/rootfs: Use full util-linux and systemd
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2025 23:25:18 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <573737f4-3146-4dd0-b0fd-63fc94e54654@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87y0ouj5x7.fsf@alyssa.is>
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On 10/29/25 07:36, Alyssa Ross wrote:
> Demi Marie Obenour <demiobenour@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Busybox provides a broken fdisk that doesn't support GPT, only MBR.
>> The systemd built against musl doesn't include systemd-pull, so
>> systemd-sysupdate doesn't work. Therefore, use all of util-linux's
>> command-line tools, and use systemd built against glibc.
>
> That's a problem that's going to need to be fixed. We're not mixing two
> different libcs on the host.
Unfortunately, systemd-pull can't be built with musl libc. That leaves
four options:
1. Try to fix the build problem, knowing that it could come back.
2. Mix two libcs on the host.
3. Try to fix the build (but this could take quite a while to upstream).
4. Use glibc on the host.
I don't think we should ship with option 2, but I think it might be
acceptable until the underlying problem is solved.
>> Signed-off-by: Demi Marie Obenour <demiobenour@gmail.com>
>> ---
>> host/rootfs/default.nix | 43 ++++++++++++++++++-------------------------
>> 1 file changed, 18 insertions(+), 25 deletions(-)
>
> Okay idea overall. I like the idea of less busybox. Busybox →
> util-linux should probably be a patch of its own.
Will fix in v2.
>> diff --git a/host/rootfs/default.nix b/host/rootfs/default.nix
>> index 0d79f7ca54ccc86eb0fa6e743f2011237d365f24..00052222507077b9e94a5ed0a3fbddd27caeefc3 100644
>> --- a/host/rootfs/default.nix
>> +++ b/host/rootfs/default.nix
>> @@ -4,20 +4,20 @@
>>
>> import ../../lib/call-package.nix (
>> { callSpectrumPackage, spectrum-build-tools, src
>> -, pkgsMusl, pkgsStatic, linux_latest
>> +, pkgsMusl, pkgsStatic, linux_latest, systemd
>> }:
>> pkgsStatic.callPackage (
>>
>> { busybox, cloud-hypervisor, cryptsetup, dbus, erofs-utils, execline
>> , inkscape, inotify-tools, iproute2, jq, lib, mdevd, nixos
>> , runCommand, s6, s6-linux-init, s6-rc, socat, spectrum-host-tools
>> -, stdenvNoCC, util-linuxMinimal, virtiofsd, writeClosure
>> +, stdenvNoCC, util-linux, virtiofsd, writeClosure
>
> util-linuxMinimal = util-linux.override {
> cryptsetupSupport = false;
> nlsSupport = false;
> ncursesSupport = false;
> pamSupport = false;
> shadowSupport = false;
> systemdSupport = false;
> translateManpages = false;
> };
>
> So how come we need the non-minimal version?
I didn't check.
>> # Weston doesn't support SVG icons.
>> inkscape -w 20 -h 20 \
>> -o $out/usr/share/icons/hicolor/20x20/apps/com.system76.CosmicFiles.png \
>> ${cosmic-files}/share/icons/hicolor/24x24/apps/com.system76.CosmicFiles.svg
>>
>> - ln -st $out/usr/bin \
>> - ${concatMapStringsSep " " (p: "${p}/bin/*") packages} \
>> - ${xdg-desktop-portal}/libexec/xdg-document-portal \
>> - ${xdg-desktop-portal-gtk}/libexec/xdg-desktop-portal-gtk
>> + ln -sft "$out/usr/bin" \
>> + ${concatMapStringsSep " " (p: "${escapeShellArg p}/bin/*") packages} \
>> + ${escapeShellArg xdg-desktop-portal}/libexec/xdg-document-portal \
>> + ${escapeShellArg xdg-desktop-portal-gtk}/libexec/xdg-desktop-portal-gtk
>> ln -st $out/usr/share/dbus-1 \
>> - ${dbus}/share/dbus-1/session.conf
>> + ${escapeShellArg dbus}/share/dbus-1/session.conf
>> ln -st $out/usr/share/dbus-1/services \
>> - ${xdg-desktop-portal-gtk}/share/dbus-1/services/org.freedesktop.impl.portal.desktop.gtk.service
>> -
>> - for pkg in ${escapeShellArgs usrPackages}; do
>> - lndir -ignorelinks -silent "$pkg" "$out/usr"
>> - done
>> + ${escapeShellArg xdg-desktop-portal-gtk}/share/dbus-1/services/org.freedesktop.impl.portal.desktop.gtk.service
>
> Unrelated changes. We don't need to escape Nix store paths, because we
> rely on Nixpkgs, which would break if store paths had weird characters
> in them.
Will drop in v2.
>> + # clobber any conflicting files from busybox
>> + ln -sft "$out/usr/bin" ${escapeShellArg util-linux}/bin/*
>
> The approach we've taken so far is to disable those tools in Busybox,
> and avoid conflicting symlinks, and I like that better. Alternatively,
> if you want to figure out which Busybox tools are actually needed, we
> could switch to a minimal build and enable only what we use.
I don't want to block on either of those, and I'd rather not risk
breaking the build whenever util-linux adds a new tool. It's pretty
clear that util-linux is to be preferred over Busybox in the event
of a conflict.
This does add bloat, but there are far *more* sources of bloat right
now, so I think that should be part of a more general debloating
effort.
>> ${concatStrings (mapAttrsToList (name: path: ''
>> ln -s ${path} $out/usr/lib/spectrum/vm/${name}
>> '') appvms)}
>> -
>> - # TODO: this is a hack and we should just build the util-linux
>> - # programs we want.
>> - # https://lore.kernel.org/util-linux/87zgrl6ufb.fsf@alyssa.is/
>> - ln -s ${util-linuxMinimal}/bin/{findfs,uuidgen,lsblk,mount} $out/usr/bin
>> -
>> - # TODO: this is another hack and it should be possible
>> - # to build systemd without this.
>> - ln -s -- ${lib.escapeShellArg systemd}/bin/udevadm "$out/usr/bin"
>> '';
>> in
>>
>>
>> --
>> 2.51.2
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Sincerely,
Demi Marie Obenour (she/her/hers)
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2025-10-29 10:12 [PATCH 0/7] System updates based on systemd-sysupdate Demi Marie Obenour
2025-10-29 10:12 ` [PATCH 1/7] host/rootfs: Use full util-linux and systemd Demi Marie Obenour
2025-10-29 11:36 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-01 3:25 ` Demi Marie Obenour [this message]
2025-11-01 12:13 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-06 9:15 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-10-29 10:12 ` [PATCH 2/7] release/combined: Compress installation image Demi Marie Obenour
2025-10-29 11:50 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-10-29 16:51 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-01 22:15 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-02 0:18 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-02 12:05 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-02 14:42 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-02 19:38 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-10-29 10:12 ` [PATCH 3/7] tools: Add directory checker for updates Demi Marie Obenour
2025-10-29 12:01 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-10-31 20:31 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-01 12:17 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-01 14:09 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-01 18:36 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-02 12:18 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-02 12:43 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-02 19:34 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-04 15:26 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-02 19:21 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-04 15:27 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-04 22:56 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-06 10:15 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-10-29 10:12 ` [PATCH 4/7] Adjust partition layout to support updates Demi Marie Obenour
2025-10-29 15:49 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-10-29 10:12 ` [PATCH 5/7] release: add install step Demi Marie Obenour
2025-10-29 12:20 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-10-29 10:12 ` [PATCH 6/7] Factor out dm-verity build rules Demi Marie Obenour
2025-10-29 12:22 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-10-31 6:39 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-10-29 10:12 ` [PATCH 7/7] Support updates via systemd-sysupdate Demi Marie Obenour
2025-10-29 15:48 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-12 22:14 ` [PATCH v2 0/8] System updates based on systemd-sysupdate Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-12 22:14 ` [PATCH v2 1/8] host/rootfs: Install all programs from util-linuxMinimal Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-13 12:35 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-12 22:14 ` [PATCH v2 2/8] host/rootfs: Install systemd-pull Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-13 15:22 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-13 23:46 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-14 11:59 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-12 22:14 ` [PATCH v2 3/8] tools: Add directory checker for updates Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-13 13:21 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-13 17:53 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-13 18:01 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-13 18:03 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-14 13:08 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-14 18:37 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-15 15:20 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-12 22:14 ` [PATCH v2 4/8] Adjust partition layout to support updates Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-13 16:00 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-12 22:14 ` [PATCH v2 5/8] release: Create directory with system update Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-13 16:04 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-13 18:23 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-13 19:09 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-12 22:15 ` [PATCH v2 6/8] Support updates via systemd-sysupdate Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-13 16:44 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-13 20:25 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-14 12:14 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-14 23:16 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-20 14:56 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-20 19:42 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-12 22:15 ` [PATCH v2 7/8] Documentation: Update support Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-13 16:49 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-13 22:24 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-14 12:16 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-12 22:15 ` [PATCH v2 8/8] lib/config.nix: Validate configuration parameters Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-13 17:16 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-19 8:18 ` [PATCH v3 00/14] System updates based on systemd-sysupdate Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-19 8:18 ` [PATCH v3 01/14] host/rootfs: Install all programs from util-linuxMinimal Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-19 14:14 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-20 0:12 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-19 8:18 ` [PATCH v3 02/14] host/rootfs: Install systemd-pull Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-19 8:18 ` [PATCH v3 03/14] tools: Add directory checker for updates Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-19 14:45 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-19 23:58 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-19 8:18 ` [PATCH v3 04/14] scripts: port make-gpt.sh to bash Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-20 10:28 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-19 8:18 ` [PATCH v3 05/14] scripts/make-gpt.sh: Allow specifying partition size Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-19 8:18 ` [PATCH v3 06/14] Support generating multiple partition UUIDs Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-19 8:18 ` [PATCH v3 07/14] scripts: Use shell expansion to get partition path Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-19 8:18 ` [PATCH v3 08/14] Use OS version to set partition labels and UKI name Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-20 12:11 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-19 8:18 ` [PATCH v3 09/14] release: Compress installation images and remove live image Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-20 12:14 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-19 8:18 ` [PATCH v3 10/14] Add B partitions to installation images Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-19 8:18 ` [PATCH v3 11/14] release: Create directory with system update Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-19 8:18 ` [PATCH v3 12/14] Support updates via systemd-sysupdate Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-19 8:18 ` [PATCH v3 13/14] Documentation: Update support Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-19 8:18 ` [PATCH v3 14/14] Validate configuration parameters Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-22 1:23 ` [PATCH v4 00/14] System updates based on systemd-sysupdate Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-22 1:23 ` [PATCH v4 01/14] host/rootfs: Install all programs from util-linuxMinimal Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-25 11:56 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-22 1:23 ` [PATCH v4 02/14] host/rootfs: Install systemd-pull Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-25 7:36 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-22 1:23 ` [PATCH v4 03/14] tools: Add directory checker for updates Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-22 1:23 ` [PATCH v4 04/14] scripts: port make-gpt.sh to bash Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-22 1:23 ` [PATCH v4 05/14] scripts/make-gpt.sh: Allow specifying partition size Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-22 1:23 ` [PATCH v4 06/14] Support generating multiple partition UUIDs Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-25 13:02 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-26 18:26 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-22 1:23 ` [PATCH v4 07/14] scripts: Use shell expansion to get partition path Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-22 1:23 ` [PATCH v4 08/14] release: Compress installation images and remove live image Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-25 13:19 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-25 22:38 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-28 11:09 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-28 19:45 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-22 1:23 ` [PATCH v4 09/14] Use OS version to set partition labels and UKI name Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-25 14:11 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-22 1:23 ` [PATCH v4 10/14] Add B partitions to installation images Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-25 16:31 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-22 1:23 ` [PATCH v4 11/14] release: Create directory with system update Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-25 16:50 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-22 1:23 ` [PATCH v4 12/14] Support updates via systemd-sysupdate Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-25 17:54 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-22 1:23 ` [PATCH v4 13/14] Documentation: Update support Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-25 18:00 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-22 1:23 ` [PATCH v4 14/14] Validate configuration parameters Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-25 18:06 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-25 12:22 ` [PATCH v4 00/14] System updates based on systemd-sysupdate Alyssa Ross
2025-11-26 19:40 ` [PATCH v5 00/13] " Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:40 ` [PATCH v5 01/13] tools: Add directory checker for updates Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:40 ` [PATCH v5 02/13] scripts: port make-gpt.sh to bash Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:40 ` [PATCH v5 03/13] scripts/make-gpt.sh: Allow specifying partition size Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:40 ` [PATCH v5 04/13] Port scripts/format-uuid.sh to awk Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:40 ` [PATCH v5 05/13] Use set and a command substitution to set UUID variables Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:40 ` [PATCH v5 06/13] scripts: Use shell expansion to get partition path Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-28 11:20 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-26 19:40 ` [PATCH v5 07/13] release: Compress installation images and remove live image Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-28 11:21 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-26 19:40 ` [PATCH v5 08/13] Use OS version to set partition labels and UKI name Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:40 ` [PATCH v5 09/13] Add B partitions to installation images Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-28 11:23 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-26 19:40 ` [PATCH v5 10/13] release: Create directory with system update Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:40 ` [PATCH v5 11/13] Support updates via systemd-sysupdate Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-28 13:47 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-28 20:27 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-28 20:41 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-28 20:44 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-28 21:08 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-28 21:28 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-28 21:30 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-26 19:40 ` [PATCH v5 12/13] Documentation: Update support Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:40 ` [PATCH v5 13/13] Validate configuration parameters Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-29 9:49 ` [PATCH v6 0/8] System updates based on systemd-sysupdate Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-29 9:49 ` [PATCH v6 1/8] tools: Add directory checker for updates Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-29 11:16 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-29 9:49 ` [PATCH v6 2/8] release: Compress installation images and remove live image Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-29 11:16 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-29 9:50 ` [PATCH v6 3/8] Use OS version to set partition labels and UKI name Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-29 11:16 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-29 9:50 ` [PATCH v6 4/8] Add B partitions to installation images Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-29 11:16 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-29 9:50 ` [PATCH v6 5/8] release: Create directory with system update Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-29 11:16 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-29 9:50 ` [PATCH v6 6/8] Support updates via systemd-sysupdate Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-29 11:16 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-29 9:50 ` [PATCH v6 7/8] Documentation: Update support Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-30 21:46 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-29 9:50 ` [PATCH v6 8/8] Validate configuration parameters Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:33 ` [PATCH v4 00/13] System updates based on systemd-sysupdate Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:33 ` [PATCH v4 01/13] tools: Add directory checker for updates Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:34 ` [PATCH v4 02/13] scripts: port make-gpt.sh to bash Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:34 ` [PATCH v4 03/13] scripts/make-gpt.sh: Allow specifying partition size Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:34 ` [PATCH v4 04/13] Port scripts/format-uuid.sh to awk Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:34 ` [PATCH v4 05/13] Use set and a command substitution to set UUID variables Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:34 ` [PATCH v4 06/13] scripts: Use shell expansion to get partition path Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:34 ` [PATCH v4 07/13] release: Compress installation images and remove live image Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:34 ` [PATCH v4 08/13] Use OS version to set partition labels and UKI name Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:34 ` [PATCH v4 09/13] Add B partitions to installation images Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:34 ` [PATCH v4 10/13] release: Create directory with system update Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:34 ` [PATCH v4 11/13] Support updates via systemd-sysupdate Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:34 ` [PATCH v4 12/13] Documentation: Update support Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:34 ` [PATCH v4 13/13] Validate configuration parameters Demi Marie Obenour
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