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From: Demi Marie Obenour <demiobenour@gmail.com>
To: Alyssa Ross <hi@alyssa.is>
Cc: Spectrum OS Development <devel@spectrum-os.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 7/8] Documentation: Update support
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2025 17:24:25 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5b9ec042-1e3b-4d97-b311-1270c1b49437@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87qzu1c1xm.fsf@alyssa.is>


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On 11/13/25 11:49, Alyssa Ross wrote:
> Demi Marie Obenour <demiobenour@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> There is now a way to update the OS, so the previous documentation is
>> now stale!
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Demi Marie Obenour <demiobenour@gmail.com>
>> ---
>>  Documentation/installation/index.adoc     |  3 ++-
>>  Documentation/using-spectrum/index.adoc   |  2 ++
>>  Documentation/using-spectrum/updates.adoc | 29 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>  3 files changed, 33 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
>>
>> diff --git a/Documentation/installation/index.adoc b/Documentation/installation/index.adoc
>> index d67c88dda062066c19c3b21e699f074cc18a6dbc..536c3dd9f78faa2ecad4127dc9ccc2058a230b1a 100644
>> --- a/Documentation/installation/index.adoc
>> +++ b/Documentation/installation/index.adoc
>> @@ -18,6 +18,7 @@ development.
>>  
>>  == Uninstalling and Updating
>>  
>> -Currently, there is no implementation for a software update.
>> +See xref:../using-spectrum/updates.adoc[Updating the OS] for how to enable
>> +updates.
> 
> Let's phrase this so it says that there's work going on to enable
> updates but it's not all set up yet.  User-focused documentation
> shouldn't really be suggesting that people will have to build their own
> images and run their own update servers.

Would it be okay to mention that it is WIP, and also add a link to
the build configuration options for those who *have* built their
own images?  That will continue to be relevant even after official
binary releases are available.  Developers are users too, and they
might be a bit confused when their image either doesn't update at
all or updates to an official build without any of their changes.
>>  You can replace Spectrum by installing another OS.
>> diff --git a/Documentation/using-spectrum/index.adoc b/Documentation/using-spectrum/index.adoc
>> index 25347a4ed7bb1f899ee0a3b85aa51da94bb954b4..5d9ea657f7c6f8c21edbf8637d2d2d0bf52f931d 100644
>> --- a/Documentation/using-spectrum/index.adoc
>> +++ b/Documentation/using-spectrum/index.adoc
>> @@ -11,3 +11,5 @@ Ready to get started with Spectrum? Here is what you can do next:
>>  
>>  * xref:running-vms.adoc[Start some applications].
>>  * xref:creating-custom-vms.adoc[Create your own VM] to use other applications.
>> +* xref:updates.adoc[Enable updates] so you can use newer versions of Spectrum
>> +  without reinstalling the OS.
> 
> This doesn't really belong in the "Using Spectrum" section, because
> people who're only using Spectrum should have working updates out of the
> box.  It would make more sense to be documented alongside the
> configuration mechanism — that's the audience for this.

I'll add the info to the build configuration mechanism.

>> diff --git a/Documentation/using-spectrum/updates.adoc b/Documentation/using-spectrum/updates.adoc
>> new file mode 100644
>> index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..ffd6fda269617768d486e58e30661bbefc8b2bbd
>> --- /dev/null
>> +++ b/Documentation/using-spectrum/updates.adoc
>> @@ -0,0 +1,29 @@
>> += Updating the OS
>> +:page-parent: Using Spectrum
>> +
>> +// SPDX-FileCopyrightText: 2025 Demi Marie Obenour <demiobenour@gmail.com>
>> +// SPDX-License-Identifier: GFDL-1.3-no-invariants-or-later OR CC-BY-SA-4.0
>> +
>> +Spectrum supports updates via the `update` command.  This
>> +takes the path to a staging directory as argument.  `update`
>> +will create the directory, use it for the update, and then
>> +delete it.  The parent directory must exist.
> 
> And be on btrfs?
> 
>> +
>> +Updates are atomic and take effect after the system reboots.
>> +If the system is rebooted, crashes, or loses power during an
>> +update, the update will automatically be rolled back.  Updates
> 
> Is this currently true?

If not, that's a systemd-sysupdate bug.

>> +are digitally signed and Spectrum will refuse to install an
>> +update that does not have a trusted signature.
>> +
>> +Currently, Spectrum does not provide an update server, so
>> +you must provide your own.  You can do this via
>> +xref:../development/build-configuration.adoc[build configuration].
>> +The default sets the signing key to `/dev/null` and the server
>> +URL to an invalid value, so updates won't work.  To enable updates,
>> +set `update-url` to the URL of your server and `update-signing-key`
>> +to a binary GnuPG keyring to verify the updates with.  Not all possible
>> +URLs will work, but most invalid URLs will cause an error during the
>> +build rather than runtime misbehavior.
> 
> We should probably reference systemd-sysupdate so people can understand
> what their update server is supposed to serve, without us having to
> duplicate that information in our own documentation.

Good idea.

>> +
>> +Right now, it is not possible to change the update URL or signing key
>> +except via an update or by reinstalling the OS.
This is actually stale.  It was true in v1 because some of this
information was hard-coded into the update VM, but now all of that
information comes from the host.
-- 
Sincerely,
Demi Marie Obenour (she/her/hers)

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  reply	other threads:[~2025-11-13 22:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 177+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-29 10:12 [PATCH 0/7] System updates based on systemd-sysupdate Demi Marie Obenour
2025-10-29 10:12 ` [PATCH 1/7] host/rootfs: Use full util-linux and systemd Demi Marie Obenour
2025-10-29 11:36   ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-01  3:25     ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-01 12:13       ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-06  9:15         ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-10-29 10:12 ` [PATCH 2/7] release/combined: Compress installation image Demi Marie Obenour
2025-10-29 11:50   ` Alyssa Ross
2025-10-29 16:51     ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-01 22:15       ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-02  0:18         ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-02 12:05           ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-02 14:42             ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-02 19:38             ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-10-29 10:12 ` [PATCH 3/7] tools: Add directory checker for updates Demi Marie Obenour
2025-10-29 12:01   ` Alyssa Ross
2025-10-31 20:31     ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-01 12:17       ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-01 14:09         ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-01 18:36         ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-02 12:18           ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-02 12:43             ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-02 19:34               ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-04 15:26                 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-02 19:21             ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-04 15:27               ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-04 22:56                 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-06 10:15                   ` Alyssa Ross
2025-10-29 10:12 ` [PATCH 4/7] Adjust partition layout to support updates Demi Marie Obenour
2025-10-29 15:49   ` Alyssa Ross
2025-10-29 10:12 ` [PATCH 5/7] release: add install step Demi Marie Obenour
2025-10-29 12:20   ` Alyssa Ross
2025-10-29 10:12 ` [PATCH 6/7] Factor out dm-verity build rules Demi Marie Obenour
2025-10-29 12:22   ` Alyssa Ross
2025-10-31  6:39     ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-10-29 10:12 ` [PATCH 7/7] Support updates via systemd-sysupdate Demi Marie Obenour
2025-10-29 15:48   ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-12 22:14 ` [PATCH v2 0/8] System updates based on systemd-sysupdate Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-12 22:14   ` [PATCH v2 1/8] host/rootfs: Install all programs from util-linuxMinimal Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-13 12:35     ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-12 22:14   ` [PATCH v2 2/8] host/rootfs: Install systemd-pull Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-13 15:22     ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-13 23:46       ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-14 11:59         ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-12 22:14   ` [PATCH v2 3/8] tools: Add directory checker for updates Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-13 13:21     ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-13 17:53       ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-13 18:01         ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-13 18:03           ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-14 13:08             ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-14 18:37               ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-15 15:20                 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-12 22:14   ` [PATCH v2 4/8] Adjust partition layout to support updates Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-13 16:00     ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-12 22:14   ` [PATCH v2 5/8] release: Create directory with system update Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-13 16:04     ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-13 18:23       ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-13 19:09         ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-12 22:15   ` [PATCH v2 6/8] Support updates via systemd-sysupdate Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-13 16:44     ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-13 20:25       ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-14 12:14         ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-14 23:16           ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-20 14:56             ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-20 19:42               ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-12 22:15   ` [PATCH v2 7/8] Documentation: Update support Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-13 16:49     ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-13 22:24       ` Demi Marie Obenour [this message]
2025-11-14 12:16         ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-12 22:15   ` [PATCH v2 8/8] lib/config.nix: Validate configuration parameters Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-13 17:16     ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-19  8:18   ` [PATCH v3 00/14] System updates based on systemd-sysupdate Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-19  8:18     ` [PATCH v3 01/14] host/rootfs: Install all programs from util-linuxMinimal Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-19 14:14       ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-20  0:12         ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-19  8:18     ` [PATCH v3 02/14] host/rootfs: Install systemd-pull Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-19  8:18     ` [PATCH v3 03/14] tools: Add directory checker for updates Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-19 14:45       ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-19 23:58         ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-19  8:18     ` [PATCH v3 04/14] scripts: port make-gpt.sh to bash Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-20 10:28       ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-19  8:18     ` [PATCH v3 05/14] scripts/make-gpt.sh: Allow specifying partition size Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-19  8:18     ` [PATCH v3 06/14] Support generating multiple partition UUIDs Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-19  8:18     ` [PATCH v3 07/14] scripts: Use shell expansion to get partition path Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-19  8:18     ` [PATCH v3 08/14] Use OS version to set partition labels and UKI name Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-20 12:11       ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-19  8:18     ` [PATCH v3 09/14] release: Compress installation images and remove live image Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-20 12:14       ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-19  8:18     ` [PATCH v3 10/14] Add B partitions to installation images Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-19  8:18     ` [PATCH v3 11/14] release: Create directory with system update Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-19  8:18     ` [PATCH v3 12/14] Support updates via systemd-sysupdate Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-19  8:18     ` [PATCH v3 13/14] Documentation: Update support Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-19  8:18     ` [PATCH v3 14/14] Validate configuration parameters Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-22  1:23     ` [PATCH v4 00/14] System updates based on systemd-sysupdate Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-22  1:23       ` [PATCH v4 01/14] host/rootfs: Install all programs from util-linuxMinimal Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-25 11:56         ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-22  1:23       ` [PATCH v4 02/14] host/rootfs: Install systemd-pull Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-25  7:36         ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-22  1:23       ` [PATCH v4 03/14] tools: Add directory checker for updates Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-22  1:23       ` [PATCH v4 04/14] scripts: port make-gpt.sh to bash Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-22  1:23       ` [PATCH v4 05/14] scripts/make-gpt.sh: Allow specifying partition size Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-22  1:23       ` [PATCH v4 06/14] Support generating multiple partition UUIDs Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-25 13:02         ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-26 18:26           ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-22  1:23       ` [PATCH v4 07/14] scripts: Use shell expansion to get partition path Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-22  1:23       ` [PATCH v4 08/14] release: Compress installation images and remove live image Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-25 13:19         ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-25 22:38           ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-28 11:09             ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-28 19:45               ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-22  1:23       ` [PATCH v4 09/14] Use OS version to set partition labels and UKI name Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-25 14:11         ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-22  1:23       ` [PATCH v4 10/14] Add B partitions to installation images Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-25 16:31         ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-22  1:23       ` [PATCH v4 11/14] release: Create directory with system update Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-25 16:50         ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-22  1:23       ` [PATCH v4 12/14] Support updates via systemd-sysupdate Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-25 17:54         ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-22  1:23       ` [PATCH v4 13/14] Documentation: Update support Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-25 18:00         ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-22  1:23       ` [PATCH v4 14/14] Validate configuration parameters Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-25 18:06         ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-25 12:22       ` [PATCH v4 00/14] System updates based on systemd-sysupdate Alyssa Ross
2025-11-26 19:40       ` [PATCH v5 00/13] " Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:40         ` [PATCH v5 01/13] tools: Add directory checker for updates Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:40         ` [PATCH v5 02/13] scripts: port make-gpt.sh to bash Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:40         ` [PATCH v5 03/13] scripts/make-gpt.sh: Allow specifying partition size Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:40         ` [PATCH v5 04/13] Port scripts/format-uuid.sh to awk Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:40         ` [PATCH v5 05/13] Use set and a command substitution to set UUID variables Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:40         ` [PATCH v5 06/13] scripts: Use shell expansion to get partition path Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-28 11:20           ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-26 19:40         ` [PATCH v5 07/13] release: Compress installation images and remove live image Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-28 11:21           ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-26 19:40         ` [PATCH v5 08/13] Use OS version to set partition labels and UKI name Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:40         ` [PATCH v5 09/13] Add B partitions to installation images Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-28 11:23           ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-26 19:40         ` [PATCH v5 10/13] release: Create directory with system update Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:40         ` [PATCH v5 11/13] Support updates via systemd-sysupdate Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-28 13:47           ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-28 20:27             ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-28 20:41               ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-28 20:44                 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-28 21:08                   ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-28 21:28                     ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-28 21:30                       ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-26 19:40         ` [PATCH v5 12/13] Documentation: Update support Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:40         ` [PATCH v5 13/13] Validate configuration parameters Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-29  9:49         ` [PATCH v6 0/8] System updates based on systemd-sysupdate Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-29  9:49           ` [PATCH v6 1/8] tools: Add directory checker for updates Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-29 11:16             ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-29  9:49           ` [PATCH v6 2/8] release: Compress installation images and remove live image Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-29 11:16             ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-29  9:50           ` [PATCH v6 3/8] Use OS version to set partition labels and UKI name Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-29 11:16             ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-29  9:50           ` [PATCH v6 4/8] Add B partitions to installation images Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-29 11:16             ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-29  9:50           ` [PATCH v6 5/8] release: Create directory with system update Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-29 11:16             ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-29  9:50           ` [PATCH v6 6/8] Support updates via systemd-sysupdate Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-29 11:16             ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-29  9:50           ` [PATCH v6 7/8] Documentation: Update support Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-30 21:46             ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-29  9:50           ` [PATCH v6 8/8] Validate configuration parameters Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:33     ` [PATCH v4 00/13] System updates based on systemd-sysupdate Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:33       ` [PATCH v4 01/13] tools: Add directory checker for updates Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:34       ` [PATCH v4 02/13] scripts: port make-gpt.sh to bash Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:34       ` [PATCH v4 03/13] scripts/make-gpt.sh: Allow specifying partition size Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:34       ` [PATCH v4 04/13] Port scripts/format-uuid.sh to awk Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:34       ` [PATCH v4 05/13] Use set and a command substitution to set UUID variables Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:34       ` [PATCH v4 06/13] scripts: Use shell expansion to get partition path Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:34       ` [PATCH v4 07/13] release: Compress installation images and remove live image Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:34       ` [PATCH v4 08/13] Use OS version to set partition labels and UKI name Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:34       ` [PATCH v4 09/13] Add B partitions to installation images Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:34       ` [PATCH v4 10/13] release: Create directory with system update Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:34       ` [PATCH v4 11/13] Support updates via systemd-sysupdate Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:34       ` [PATCH v4 12/13] Documentation: Update support Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:34       ` [PATCH v4 13/13] Validate configuration parameters Demi Marie Obenour

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