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From: Demi Marie Obenour <demiobenour@gmail.com>
To: Alyssa Ross <hi@alyssa.is>
Cc: Spectrum OS Development <devel@spectrum-os.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 15/20] host/rootfs: Use real less, not BusyBox less
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2025 15:01:59 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <78a3007a-11ed-4e59-9533-2e2dea9203b8@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87segiqo1i.fsf@alyssa.is>


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On 9/19/25 14:45, Alyssa Ross wrote:
> Demi Marie Obenour <demiobenour@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> On 9/8/25 05:25, Alyssa Ross wrote:
>>> Demi Marie Obenour <demiobenour@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> The version of less in BusyBox cannot handle horizontal scrolling, so it
>>>> is much less useful for debugging than less(1).  As long as it less is
>>>> needed, it is better to have a more useful version.
>>>>
>>>> Signed-off-by: Demi Marie Obenour <demiobenour@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> Is it needed?
>>
>> When I was debugging, I kept getting frustrated with limitations
>> of Busybox less.  This patch helped me quite a bit, so yes, I think
>> it is needed.
> 
> What I mean is: is less needed at all?  (I was referring to you saying
> "as long as less is needed".)
> 
> So far I haven't added tools that are only useful for debugging to the
> image (although the core dump handler is an exception).  I frequently
> use strace, for example, but I don't think it really belongs as part of
> the system image.  less is only really present at all because it snuck
> is as part of busybox.  I also don't want to have images used for
> development to differ from the real ones, because then wee can miss
> stuff in testing more easily.  So here's an idea: what if we attach an
> extra block device in "make run" that includes some debugging tools, and
> then that can easily be mounted to get the extra tools when needed for
> development, while still being able to use a normal build of the
> Spectrum host system?

That's a great idea!  I'll work on it later, though.  In the future
it might make sense to provide a debug build of Spectrum for use by
developers tracking down problems.  That's a task for even further
in the future.
-- 
Sincerely,
Demi Marie Obenour (she/her/hers)

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  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-19 19:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-04 21:26 [PATCH 00/20] Many image fixes and systemd integration Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-04 21:26 ` [PATCH 01/20] scripts/make-erofs.sh: Ensure that / is world-readable Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-08  8:21   ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-04 21:26 ` [PATCH 02/20] scripts/make-erofs.sh: Do not read one byte at a time Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-08  8:23   ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-08 16:57     ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-09 15:19       ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-04 21:26 ` [PATCH 03/20] scripts/make-erofs.sh: Avoid unneeded calls to awk and chmod Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-08  8:28   ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-08 17:14     ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-10 18:45       ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-04 21:26 ` [PATCH 04/20] scripts/make-erofs.sh: Validate all paths Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-08  8:36   ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-08 18:21     ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-10 18:54       ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-21 12:09         ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-04 21:26 ` [PATCH 05/20] scripts/make-erofs.sh: Avoid unneeded calls to dirname Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-10 20:04   ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-10 20:06     ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-19 16:47   ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-19 19:04     ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-04 21:26 ` [PATCH 06/20] scripts/make-erofs.sh: Avoid unneeded calls to mkdir Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-08  8:39   ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-04 21:26 ` [PATCH 07/20] scripts/make-erofs.sh: Standardize file modes in images Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-08  8:46   ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-08 17:16     ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-19 17:50   ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-19 19:18     ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-21 12:23       ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-04 21:26 ` [PATCH 08/20] Standardize directories and symlinks " Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-08  8:59   ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-08 18:05     ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-19 17:53       ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-04 21:26 ` [PATCH 09/20] Add os-release file Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-08  9:12   ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-08 18:07     ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-04 21:26 ` [PATCH 10/20] host/rootfs: Set -eu in build Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-08  9:13   ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-08 18:08     ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-04 21:26 ` [PATCH 11/20] Add /dev/fd and /dev/std* Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-08  9:18   ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-08 18:12     ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-04 21:26 ` [PATCH 12/20] host/rootfs: Do not read from /dev/tty1 Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-08  9:19   ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-08 18:18     ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-19 18:22       ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-19 19:00         ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-21  9:01           ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-04 21:26 ` [PATCH 13/20] host/rootfs: pass API socket as fd 3, not fd 0 Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-08  9:44   ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-04 21:26 ` [PATCH 14/20] host/rootfs: Disable unneeded BusyBox tools Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-08  9:24   ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-04 21:26 ` [PATCH 15/20] host/rootfs: Use real less, not BusyBox less Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-08  9:25   ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-08 18:16     ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-19 18:45       ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-19 19:01         ` Demi Marie Obenour [this message]
2025-09-21  9:02           ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-04 21:26 ` [PATCH 16/20] host/rootfs: explicitly set PATH in network add script Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-04 21:26 ` [PATCH 17/20] Use /etc/s6-rc/compiled for compiled s6-rc directory Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-08  9:27   ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-08 18:15     ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-04 21:26 ` [PATCH 18/20] host/rootfs: virtiofsd: Do not use FD 0 as the socket Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-08  9:44   ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-04 21:26 ` [PATCH 19/20] host/rootfs: Disable unneeded busybox stuff Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-04 21:26 ` [PATCH 20/20] host/rootfs: Switch to systemd Demi Marie Obenour

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