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From: Alyssa Ross <hi@alyssa.is>
To: Demi Marie Obenour <demiobenour@gmail.com>
Cc: Spectrum OS Development <devel@spectrum-os.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/7] host/rootfs: Use full util-linux and systemd
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2025 13:13:06 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ecqiq7cd.fsf@alyssa.is> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <573737f4-3146-4dd0-b0fd-63fc94e54654@gmail.com>

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Demi Marie Obenour <demiobenour@gmail.com> writes:

> On 10/29/25 07:36, Alyssa Ross wrote:
>> Demi Marie Obenour <demiobenour@gmail.com> writes:
>> 
>>> Busybox provides a broken fdisk that doesn't support GPT, only MBR.
>>> The systemd built against musl doesn't include systemd-pull, so
>>> systemd-sysupdate doesn't work.  Therefore, use all of util-linux's
>>> command-line tools, and use systemd built against glibc.
>> 
>> That's a problem that's going to need to be fixed.  We're not mixing two
>> different libcs on the host.
>
> Unfortunately, systemd-pull can't be built with musl libc.  That leaves
> four options:
>
> 1. Try to fix the build problem, knowing that it could come back.
> 2. Mix two libcs on the host.
> 3. Try to fix the build (but this could take quite a while to upstream).
> 4. Use glibc on the host.
>
> I don't think we should ship with option 2, but I think it might be
> acceptable until the underlying problem is solved.

Depends how hard it is to fix I suppose.  What's the actual issue?

>>> diff --git a/host/rootfs/default.nix b/host/rootfs/default.nix
>>> index 0d79f7ca54ccc86eb0fa6e743f2011237d365f24..00052222507077b9e94a5ed0a3fbddd27caeefc3 100644
>>> --- a/host/rootfs/default.nix
>>> +++ b/host/rootfs/default.nix
>>> @@ -4,20 +4,20 @@
>>>  
>>>  import ../../lib/call-package.nix (
>>>  { callSpectrumPackage, spectrum-build-tools, src
>>> -, pkgsMusl, pkgsStatic, linux_latest
>>> +, pkgsMusl, pkgsStatic, linux_latest, systemd
>>>  }:
>>>  pkgsStatic.callPackage (
>>>  
>>>  { busybox, cloud-hypervisor, cryptsetup, dbus, erofs-utils, execline
>>>  , inkscape, inotify-tools, iproute2, jq, lib, mdevd, nixos
>>>  , runCommand, s6, s6-linux-init, s6-rc, socat, spectrum-host-tools
>>> -, stdenvNoCC, util-linuxMinimal, virtiofsd, writeClosure
>>> +, stdenvNoCC, util-linux, virtiofsd, writeClosure
>> 
>>   util-linuxMinimal = util-linux.override {
>>     cryptsetupSupport = false;
>>     nlsSupport = false;
>>     ncursesSupport = false;
>>     pamSupport = false;
>>     shadowSupport = false;
>>     systemdSupport = false;
>>     translateManpages = false;
>>   };
>> 
>> So how come we need the non-minimal version?
>
> I didn't check.

Let's stick with the minimal one until there's a need, then.

>>> +    # clobber any conflicting files from busybox
>>> +    ln -sft "$out/usr/bin" ${escapeShellArg util-linux}/bin/*
>> 
>> The approach we've taken so far is to disable those tools in Busybox,
>> and avoid conflicting symlinks, and I like that better.  Alternatively,
>> if you want to figure out which Busybox tools are actually needed, we
>> could switch to a minimal build and enable only what we use.
>
> I don't want to block on either of those, and I'd rather not risk
> breaking the build whenever util-linux adds a new tool.  It's pretty
> clear that util-linux is to be preferred over Busybox in the event
> of a conflict.
>
> This does add bloat, but there are far *more* sources of bloat right
> now, so I think that should be part of a more general debloating
> effort.

How would disabling the conflicting tools in Busybox like we've done so
far block?

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  reply	other threads:[~2025-11-01 12:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 177+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-29 10:12 [PATCH 0/7] System updates based on systemd-sysupdate Demi Marie Obenour
2025-10-29 10:12 ` [PATCH 1/7] host/rootfs: Use full util-linux and systemd Demi Marie Obenour
2025-10-29 11:36   ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-01  3:25     ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-01 12:13       ` Alyssa Ross [this message]
2025-11-06  9:15         ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-10-29 10:12 ` [PATCH 2/7] release/combined: Compress installation image Demi Marie Obenour
2025-10-29 11:50   ` Alyssa Ross
2025-10-29 16:51     ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-01 22:15       ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-02  0:18         ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-02 12:05           ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-02 14:42             ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-02 19:38             ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-10-29 10:12 ` [PATCH 3/7] tools: Add directory checker for updates Demi Marie Obenour
2025-10-29 12:01   ` Alyssa Ross
2025-10-31 20:31     ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-01 12:17       ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-01 14:09         ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-01 18:36         ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-02 12:18           ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-02 12:43             ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-02 19:34               ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-04 15:26                 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-02 19:21             ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-04 15:27               ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-04 22:56                 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-06 10:15                   ` Alyssa Ross
2025-10-29 10:12 ` [PATCH 4/7] Adjust partition layout to support updates Demi Marie Obenour
2025-10-29 15:49   ` Alyssa Ross
2025-10-29 10:12 ` [PATCH 5/7] release: add install step Demi Marie Obenour
2025-10-29 12:20   ` Alyssa Ross
2025-10-29 10:12 ` [PATCH 6/7] Factor out dm-verity build rules Demi Marie Obenour
2025-10-29 12:22   ` Alyssa Ross
2025-10-31  6:39     ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-10-29 10:12 ` [PATCH 7/7] Support updates via systemd-sysupdate Demi Marie Obenour
2025-10-29 15:48   ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-12 22:14 ` [PATCH v2 0/8] System updates based on systemd-sysupdate Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-12 22:14   ` [PATCH v2 1/8] host/rootfs: Install all programs from util-linuxMinimal Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-13 12:35     ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-12 22:14   ` [PATCH v2 2/8] host/rootfs: Install systemd-pull Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-13 15:22     ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-13 23:46       ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-14 11:59         ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-12 22:14   ` [PATCH v2 3/8] tools: Add directory checker for updates Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-13 13:21     ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-13 17:53       ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-13 18:01         ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-13 18:03           ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-14 13:08             ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-14 18:37               ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-15 15:20                 ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-12 22:14   ` [PATCH v2 4/8] Adjust partition layout to support updates Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-13 16:00     ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-12 22:14   ` [PATCH v2 5/8] release: Create directory with system update Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-13 16:04     ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-13 18:23       ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-13 19:09         ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-12 22:15   ` [PATCH v2 6/8] Support updates via systemd-sysupdate Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-13 16:44     ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-13 20:25       ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-14 12:14         ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-14 23:16           ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-20 14:56             ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-20 19:42               ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-12 22:15   ` [PATCH v2 7/8] Documentation: Update support Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-13 16:49     ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-13 22:24       ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-14 12:16         ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-12 22:15   ` [PATCH v2 8/8] lib/config.nix: Validate configuration parameters Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-13 17:16     ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-19  8:18   ` [PATCH v3 00/14] System updates based on systemd-sysupdate Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-19  8:18     ` [PATCH v3 01/14] host/rootfs: Install all programs from util-linuxMinimal Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-19 14:14       ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-20  0:12         ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-19  8:18     ` [PATCH v3 02/14] host/rootfs: Install systemd-pull Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-19  8:18     ` [PATCH v3 03/14] tools: Add directory checker for updates Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-19 14:45       ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-19 23:58         ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-19  8:18     ` [PATCH v3 04/14] scripts: port make-gpt.sh to bash Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-20 10:28       ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-19  8:18     ` [PATCH v3 05/14] scripts/make-gpt.sh: Allow specifying partition size Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-19  8:18     ` [PATCH v3 06/14] Support generating multiple partition UUIDs Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-19  8:18     ` [PATCH v3 07/14] scripts: Use shell expansion to get partition path Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-19  8:18     ` [PATCH v3 08/14] Use OS version to set partition labels and UKI name Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-20 12:11       ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-19  8:18     ` [PATCH v3 09/14] release: Compress installation images and remove live image Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-20 12:14       ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-19  8:18     ` [PATCH v3 10/14] Add B partitions to installation images Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-19  8:18     ` [PATCH v3 11/14] release: Create directory with system update Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-19  8:18     ` [PATCH v3 12/14] Support updates via systemd-sysupdate Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-19  8:18     ` [PATCH v3 13/14] Documentation: Update support Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-19  8:18     ` [PATCH v3 14/14] Validate configuration parameters Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-22  1:23     ` [PATCH v4 00/14] System updates based on systemd-sysupdate Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-22  1:23       ` [PATCH v4 01/14] host/rootfs: Install all programs from util-linuxMinimal Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-25 11:56         ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-22  1:23       ` [PATCH v4 02/14] host/rootfs: Install systemd-pull Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-25  7:36         ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-22  1:23       ` [PATCH v4 03/14] tools: Add directory checker for updates Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-22  1:23       ` [PATCH v4 04/14] scripts: port make-gpt.sh to bash Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-22  1:23       ` [PATCH v4 05/14] scripts/make-gpt.sh: Allow specifying partition size Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-22  1:23       ` [PATCH v4 06/14] Support generating multiple partition UUIDs Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-25 13:02         ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-26 18:26           ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-22  1:23       ` [PATCH v4 07/14] scripts: Use shell expansion to get partition path Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-22  1:23       ` [PATCH v4 08/14] release: Compress installation images and remove live image Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-25 13:19         ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-25 22:38           ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-28 11:09             ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-28 19:45               ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-22  1:23       ` [PATCH v4 09/14] Use OS version to set partition labels and UKI name Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-25 14:11         ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-22  1:23       ` [PATCH v4 10/14] Add B partitions to installation images Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-25 16:31         ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-22  1:23       ` [PATCH v4 11/14] release: Create directory with system update Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-25 16:50         ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-22  1:23       ` [PATCH v4 12/14] Support updates via systemd-sysupdate Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-25 17:54         ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-22  1:23       ` [PATCH v4 13/14] Documentation: Update support Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-25 18:00         ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-22  1:23       ` [PATCH v4 14/14] Validate configuration parameters Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-25 18:06         ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-25 12:22       ` [PATCH v4 00/14] System updates based on systemd-sysupdate Alyssa Ross
2025-11-26 19:40       ` [PATCH v5 00/13] " Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:40         ` [PATCH v5 01/13] tools: Add directory checker for updates Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:40         ` [PATCH v5 02/13] scripts: port make-gpt.sh to bash Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:40         ` [PATCH v5 03/13] scripts/make-gpt.sh: Allow specifying partition size Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:40         ` [PATCH v5 04/13] Port scripts/format-uuid.sh to awk Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:40         ` [PATCH v5 05/13] Use set and a command substitution to set UUID variables Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:40         ` [PATCH v5 06/13] scripts: Use shell expansion to get partition path Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-28 11:20           ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-26 19:40         ` [PATCH v5 07/13] release: Compress installation images and remove live image Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-28 11:21           ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-26 19:40         ` [PATCH v5 08/13] Use OS version to set partition labels and UKI name Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:40         ` [PATCH v5 09/13] Add B partitions to installation images Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-28 11:23           ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-26 19:40         ` [PATCH v5 10/13] release: Create directory with system update Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:40         ` [PATCH v5 11/13] Support updates via systemd-sysupdate Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-28 13:47           ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-28 20:27             ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-28 20:41               ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-28 20:44                 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-28 21:08                   ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-28 21:28                     ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-28 21:30                       ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-26 19:40         ` [PATCH v5 12/13] Documentation: Update support Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:40         ` [PATCH v5 13/13] Validate configuration parameters Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-29  9:49         ` [PATCH v6 0/8] System updates based on systemd-sysupdate Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-29  9:49           ` [PATCH v6 1/8] tools: Add directory checker for updates Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-29 11:16             ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-29  9:49           ` [PATCH v6 2/8] release: Compress installation images and remove live image Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-29 11:16             ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-29  9:50           ` [PATCH v6 3/8] Use OS version to set partition labels and UKI name Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-29 11:16             ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-29  9:50           ` [PATCH v6 4/8] Add B partitions to installation images Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-29 11:16             ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-29  9:50           ` [PATCH v6 5/8] release: Create directory with system update Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-29 11:16             ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-29  9:50           ` [PATCH v6 6/8] Support updates via systemd-sysupdate Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-29 11:16             ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-29  9:50           ` [PATCH v6 7/8] Documentation: Update support Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-30 21:46             ` Alyssa Ross
2025-11-29  9:50           ` [PATCH v6 8/8] Validate configuration parameters Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:33     ` [PATCH v4 00/13] System updates based on systemd-sysupdate Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:33       ` [PATCH v4 01/13] tools: Add directory checker for updates Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:34       ` [PATCH v4 02/13] scripts: port make-gpt.sh to bash Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:34       ` [PATCH v4 03/13] scripts/make-gpt.sh: Allow specifying partition size Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:34       ` [PATCH v4 04/13] Port scripts/format-uuid.sh to awk Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:34       ` [PATCH v4 05/13] Use set and a command substitution to set UUID variables Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:34       ` [PATCH v4 06/13] scripts: Use shell expansion to get partition path Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:34       ` [PATCH v4 07/13] release: Compress installation images and remove live image Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:34       ` [PATCH v4 08/13] Use OS version to set partition labels and UKI name Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:34       ` [PATCH v4 09/13] Add B partitions to installation images Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:34       ` [PATCH v4 10/13] release: Create directory with system update Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:34       ` [PATCH v4 11/13] Support updates via systemd-sysupdate Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:34       ` [PATCH v4 12/13] Documentation: Update support Demi Marie Obenour
2025-11-26 19:34       ` [PATCH v4 13/13] Validate configuration parameters Demi Marie Obenour

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