From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from atuin.qyliss.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by atuin.qyliss.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3C3E8D8F; Wed, 10 Sep 2025 15:14:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by atuin.qyliss.net (Postfix, from userid 993) id B9F338D84; Wed, 10 Sep 2025 15:14:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.1 (2024-03-26) on atuin.qyliss.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=3.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,DMARC_MISSING,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_HELO_PASS autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=4.0.1 Received: from fhigh-a8-smtp.messagingengine.com (fhigh-a8-smtp.messagingengine.com [103.168.172.159]) by atuin.qyliss.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 69E638D35 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2025 15:14:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from phl-compute-11.internal (phl-compute-11.internal [10.202.2.51]) by mailfhigh.phl.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64CFF14003F2; Wed, 10 Sep 2025 11:14:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phl-mailfrontend-01 ([10.202.2.162]) by phl-compute-11.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 10 Sep 2025 11:14:46 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alyssa.is; h=cc :cc:content-type:content-type:date:date:from:from:in-reply-to :in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references:reply-to:subject :subject:to:to; s=fm3; t=1757517286; x=1757603686; bh=C50oBniV1v XntfAs1UGmmbmd9Q/5pqc4MLiU/0kRIuQ=; b=gMznfLrsZO5X//y+5txZLpnNyC IC7/62ZVrTepQ11Nk/YVADS0h7CZDK/Yfpk7k/B6vB2J2CfpgdAbAaSuWdriUpRJ 1LYDNgTLa3qFaymYZMvrNFHR21gDlvA0EW9kDz3C8clV1ipaikPyXws8VI3ZmCPK 0+N6Jitg+BzuBIE1QnklpBpBG7w9J+uYfbm8PaPTl7tSEYEGt+t/RICDn312Qdco 1HrcMZ13hz+uFDYGQKDLWUrLQFEW0Lb0DvXLJ/Cu7c7+k/pPG5GtFXAUKikzaJ22 Gz8yXbxd1fMH0PZkcsIMbEG1cPp+0c7xyki2MrXZKoJkBqaU7IhZO4zQEpbg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:cc:content-type:content-type:date:date :feedback-id:feedback-id:from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:reply-to:subject:subject:to :to:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; t= 1757517286; x=1757603686; bh=C50oBniV1vXntfAs1UGmmbmd9Q/5pqc4MLi U/0kRIuQ=; b=cLAH1lRCHIq3lwxCPK2YMVDrxf4/u8rYJ6pxQfazfY5K68vLuSF 1sj+1edDLdOacAiYwOLnIMLDh0DNM/shiKm4uLFsxDP7tOw02G33OlDyF0YVzsEh jurKpi7UbVluLkT8Z3iS3nS0EeOxt4eHaCvTLs/RleA06vQfSPpStcx08alwtPXx 2KjCNClrPUfQ/iF4Pet23khMve8tLXFf0ytnrskBP9o7nWF5DE+7anKkRgb9jT/0 WnyBLGyAzyyr2CyfFm8KHZTTOe3T/iHQq8WFfn8IlAvl7vU/wPmpa4zy7FUbyhZ6 b77B4P9GgtX8XEh7gB+i5GpZKSsumE7+awQ== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeeffedrtdeggddvfeeivdcutefuodetggdotefrod ftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecuuegr ihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenucfjug hrpefhvfevufgjfhffkfggtgesghdtreertddtjeenucfhrhhomheptehlhihsshgrucft ohhsshcuoehhihesrghlhihsshgrrdhisheqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepteehvedugf ejgfehhfeijeduleekleejgedvkeeuuefhhfegvdevfeetveegteeinecuvehluhhsthgv rhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomhephhhisegrlhihshhsrgdrih hspdhnsggprhgtphhtthhopedvpdhmohguvgepshhmthhpohhuthdprhgtphhtthhopegu vghmihhosggvnhhouhhrsehgmhgrihhlrdgtohhmpdhrtghpthhtohepuggvvhgvlhessh hpvggtthhruhhmqdhoshdrohhrgh X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: i12284293:Fastmail Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Wed, 10 Sep 2025 11:14:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mbp.qyliss.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E8B0F16EF635; Wed, 10 Sep 2025 17:14:34 +0200 (CEST) From: Alyssa Ross To: Demi Marie Obenour Subject: Re: Sandboxing strategy In-Reply-To: <87o6ritk9q.fsf@alyssa.is> References: <87o6ritk9q.fsf@alyssa.is> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2025 17:14:34 +0200 Message-ID: <87ldmmtk4l.fsf@alyssa.is> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Message-ID-Hash: 7A6UBOFSV366BX4DC4A3XESWMKIEYORE X-Message-ID-Hash: 7A6UBOFSV366BX4DC4A3XESWMKIEYORE X-MailFrom: hi@alyssa.is X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-devel.spectrum-os.org-0; header-match-devel.spectrum-os.org-1; header-match-devel.spectrum-os.org-2; header-match-devel.spectrum-os.org-3; header-match-devel.spectrum-os.org-4; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: Spectrum OS Development X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Patches and low-level development discussion Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alyssa Ross writes: > This all sounds fine, BUT there are a couple of important things to bear > in mind: > > =E2=80=A2 This needs to be maintainable. I don't know how much code thi= s is > going to be our how complex it's going to be, but that this will be > totally custom does make me a bit concerned. When you submit this, it might be helpful if you can structure it as adding one sandboxing feature at a time (and ideally ordered by your expectation of least to most controversial), so we can start getting it in gradually. A small program that adds landlock rules sounds fine. Once we start getting into namespaces I get a little scared. (Not saying no, just that I'd expect we'll have to discuss it more.) --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHUEARYKAB0WIQRV/neXydHjZma5XLJbRZGEIw/wogUCaMGV2gAKCRBbRZGEIw/w okUpAP9dUZQWFkXJTg+M2VoeCLRqQWey4RaqNjHe10Iju2WzWgD9Fg/7crIvg4z/ Ye/vlIMtb4mwuWM2eHP+mJ0fguKUJg4= =Pg6A -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--