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From: Alyssa Ross <hi@alyssa.is>
To: Demi Marie Obenour <demiobenour@gmail.com>
Cc: Spectrum OS Development <devel@spectrum-os.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 15/20] host/rootfs: Use real less, not BusyBox less
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2025 20:45:29 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87segiqo1i.fsf@alyssa.is> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <acc51502-34ec-491c-9fac-5529f89af1b3@gmail.com>

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Demi Marie Obenour <demiobenour@gmail.com> writes:

> On 9/8/25 05:25, Alyssa Ross wrote:
>> Demi Marie Obenour <demiobenour@gmail.com> writes:
>> 
>>> The version of less in BusyBox cannot handle horizontal scrolling, so it
>>> is much less useful for debugging than less(1).  As long as it less is
>>> needed, it is better to have a more useful version.
>>>
>>> Signed-off-by: Demi Marie Obenour <demiobenour@gmail.com>
>> 
>> Is it needed?
>
> When I was debugging, I kept getting frustrated with limitations
> of Busybox less.  This patch helped me quite a bit, so yes, I think
> it is needed.

What I mean is: is less needed at all?  (I was referring to you saying
"as long as less is needed".)

So far I haven't added tools that are only useful for debugging to the
image (although the core dump handler is an exception).  I frequently
use strace, for example, but I don't think it really belongs as part of
the system image.  less is only really present at all because it snuck
is as part of busybox.  I also don't want to have images used for
development to differ from the real ones, because then wee can miss
stuff in testing more easily.  So here's an idea: what if we attach an
extra block device in "make run" that includes some debugging tools, and
then that can easily be mounted to get the extra tools when needed for
development, while still being able to use a normal build of the
Spectrum host system?

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  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-19 18:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-04 21:26 [PATCH 00/20] Many image fixes and systemd integration Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-04 21:26 ` [PATCH 01/20] scripts/make-erofs.sh: Ensure that / is world-readable Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-08  8:21   ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-04 21:26 ` [PATCH 02/20] scripts/make-erofs.sh: Do not read one byte at a time Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-08  8:23   ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-08 16:57     ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-09 15:19       ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-04 21:26 ` [PATCH 03/20] scripts/make-erofs.sh: Avoid unneeded calls to awk and chmod Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-08  8:28   ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-08 17:14     ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-10 18:45       ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-04 21:26 ` [PATCH 04/20] scripts/make-erofs.sh: Validate all paths Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-08  8:36   ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-08 18:21     ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-10 18:54       ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-21 12:09         ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-04 21:26 ` [PATCH 05/20] scripts/make-erofs.sh: Avoid unneeded calls to dirname Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-10 20:04   ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-10 20:06     ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-19 16:47   ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-19 19:04     ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-04 21:26 ` [PATCH 06/20] scripts/make-erofs.sh: Avoid unneeded calls to mkdir Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-08  8:39   ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-04 21:26 ` [PATCH 07/20] scripts/make-erofs.sh: Standardize file modes in images Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-08  8:46   ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-08 17:16     ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-19 17:50   ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-19 19:18     ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-21 12:23       ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-04 21:26 ` [PATCH 08/20] Standardize directories and symlinks " Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-08  8:59   ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-08 18:05     ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-19 17:53       ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-04 21:26 ` [PATCH 09/20] Add os-release file Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-08  9:12   ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-08 18:07     ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-04 21:26 ` [PATCH 10/20] host/rootfs: Set -eu in build Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-08  9:13   ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-08 18:08     ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-04 21:26 ` [PATCH 11/20] Add /dev/fd and /dev/std* Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-08  9:18   ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-08 18:12     ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-04 21:26 ` [PATCH 12/20] host/rootfs: Do not read from /dev/tty1 Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-08  9:19   ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-08 18:18     ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-19 18:22       ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-19 19:00         ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-21  9:01           ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-04 21:26 ` [PATCH 13/20] host/rootfs: pass API socket as fd 3, not fd 0 Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-08  9:44   ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-04 21:26 ` [PATCH 14/20] host/rootfs: Disable unneeded BusyBox tools Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-08  9:24   ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-04 21:26 ` [PATCH 15/20] host/rootfs: Use real less, not BusyBox less Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-08  9:25   ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-08 18:16     ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-19 18:45       ` Alyssa Ross [this message]
2025-09-19 19:01         ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-21  9:02           ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-04 21:26 ` [PATCH 16/20] host/rootfs: explicitly set PATH in network add script Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-04 21:26 ` [PATCH 17/20] Use /etc/s6-rc/compiled for compiled s6-rc directory Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-08  9:27   ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-08 18:15     ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-04 21:26 ` [PATCH 18/20] host/rootfs: virtiofsd: Do not use FD 0 as the socket Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-08  9:44   ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-04 21:26 ` [PATCH 19/20] host/rootfs: Disable unneeded busybox stuff Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-04 21:26 ` [PATCH 20/20] host/rootfs: Switch to systemd Demi Marie Obenour

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