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Wed, 26 Aug 2026 10:10:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fw12.qyliss.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A59E8C81D7DA; Wed, 26 Aug 2026 16:10:31 +0200 (CEST) From: Alyssa Ross To: Vaida =?utf-8?Q?Plankyt=C4=97?= , Demi Marie Obenour Subject: Re: UX: Initial use cases & actions In-Reply-To: References: <87cxw43fht.fsf@alyssa.is> <4f49473e-a2a1-48a8-acb9-5237fdaac648@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2026 16:10:30 +0200 Message-ID: <87v78x7z1l.fsf@alyssa.is> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Message-ID-Hash: B5RDK2III5ENKVFDCJAJYEMTRA6F7VPN X-Message-ID-Hash: B5RDK2III5ENKVFDCJAJYEMTRA6F7VPN X-MailFrom: hi@alyssa.is X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; loop; banned-address; header-match-devel.spectrum-os.org-0; header-match-devel.spectrum-os.org-1; header-match-devel.spectrum-os.org-2; header-match-devel.spectrum-os.org-3; header-match-devel.spectrum-os.org-4; emergency; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: devel@spectrum-os.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Patches and low-level development discussion Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Vaida Plankyt=C4=97 writes: > On Thu, Aug 6, 2026 at 3:50=E2=80=AFAM Demi Marie Obenour wrote: >> >> On 8/5/26 07:23, Vaida Plankyt=C4=97 wrote: >> > On Thu, Jul 30, 2026 at 12:04=E2=80=AFPM Alyssa Ross wr= ote: >> >> >> >> * configuration? instance? I wish we had a better name for these thin= gs, >> >> even if it's agreed that it's not necessarily what we end up calling >> >> it to users. >> > >> > Agreed. I'm almost keen to just use "VM" internally because it's so >> > much shorter to write, and explanations often end up mentioning the >> > term as well as "persistent"/"non-persistent" several times a line, so >> > it's a big space/cognitive saver. But maybe that says something about >> > how user-facing terms, that'll appear in docs in potentially equally >> > extensive explanations, should also be short and snappy. "Base app", >> > "saved app" and "one-off app" or something. >> >> Qubes OS uses "Disposable VM". What about "Disposable app"? > > Disposable is a good word, as people are familiar with what it means > from general life contexts. I quite like "app" too! > > Is "window" an option, or would it conflict with how people would use > applications in Spectrum? If you choose to open a new window from an > app's menubar, does it live in the same instance or not? I feel it'd > be more natural for people to think of "app" to denote the actual > application, and "window" to denote an instance/VM, as they're likely > to be familiar with that terminology, but I can also see how that > could get confusing if "generic window" and "Spectrum window" terms > don't align. Unfortunately that generally opens a new window in the same instance, and that's not something we can change, because we'd have to change how every app works. I definitely wouldn't want to overload "window" to mean two different things! --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHUEARYKAB0WIQQGoGac7QfI+H5ZtFCZddwkt31pFQUCao7z1gAKCRCZddwkt31p FRetAP9yRXVRt8tBLsO1ocvam5HLwy+2OiUmwXLJ9QQymFI6igD/SWVYMg2sXgUD Q8DJ0DNJoYIVvK5nikrWz99SL6h/HAk= =oJzh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--