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From: Alyssa Ross <hi@alyssa.is>
To: Demi Marie Obenour <demiobenour@gmail.com>,
	Spectrum OS Development <devel@spectrum-os.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] Add /dev/fd and /dev/std*
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2025 13:29:23 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87y0qdxqp8.fsf@alyssa.is> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250914-util-linux-switch-root-v1-2-9cf9349cbca3@gmail.com>

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Demi Marie Obenour <demiobenour@gmail.com> writes:

> This is nearly same as 14483e1a690c (img/app: add /dev/fd and /dev/std*),
> but for the host and for vm/sys/net.  The only difference is that the
> symlinks are created in init, rather than in rc.init.  This ensures that
> nothing in the main system can run before they the links are created.

s6-linux-init is certainly designed to be run before these links exist,
so I don't think we need them in init.  I'd rather keep setup in a
single place as much as possibl,e and that's rc.init.

> While only Spectrum-provided code should run in these VMs, third-party
> dependencies are likely to only be tested in an environment where these
> links are present.  Since the BSDs also have these links, some code
> might even use them on purpose.
>
> Not having these links could cause severe bugs.  For instance, if
> /dev/stdout or /dev/stderr is missing, writing to them will create a
> regular file instead.  This could cause other code to misbehave.
> Furthermore, /dev is a devtmpfs, so this could consume a lot of memory.
>
> In the host, the links are added in the main system, rather than in the
> initramfs.  This is per Alyssa's suggestion in [1].
>
> [1]: https://spectrum-os.org/lists/archives/spectrum-devel/87h5xdjo9p.fsf@alyssa.is/
>
> Signed-off-by: Demi Marie Obenour <demiobenour@gmail.com>
> ---
>  host/rootfs/etc/init | 8 ++++++++
>  vm/sys/net/etc/init  | 8 ++++++++
>  2 files changed, 16 insertions(+)
>
> diff --git a/host/rootfs/etc/init b/host/rootfs/etc/init
> index 4085fa55545e7309004967e443e47fc2b82b0663..b6e6122ddb987a5463c0924cd56e1a26cf5bfd98 100755
> --- a/host/rootfs/etc/init
> +++ b/host/rootfs/etc/init
> @@ -1,5 +1,13 @@
>  #!/bin/execlineb -s0
>  # SPDX-License-Identifier: EUPL-1.2+
>  # SPDX-FileCopyrightText: 2022 Alyssa Ross <hi@alyssa.is>
> +# Symlink creation (if it's copyrightable):
> +# SPDX-License-Identifier: CC0-1.0
> +# SPDX-FileCopyrightText: 2025 Demi Marie Obenour <demiobenour@gmail.com>
> +
> +/usr/bin/if { /usr/bin/ln -s /proc/self/fd /dev }
> +/usr/bin/if { /usr/bin/ln -s /proc/self/fd/0 /dev/stdin }
> +/usr/bin/if { /usr/bin/ln -s /proc/self/fd/1 /dev/stdout }
> +/usr/bin/if { /usr/bin/ln -s /proc/self/fd/2 /dev/stderr }
>  
>  /bin/s6-linux-init -c /etc/s6-linux-init -s /run/param -- $@
> diff --git a/vm/sys/net/etc/init b/vm/sys/net/etc/init
> index 6424e221e0fb929e107271bd52b61706b9f1855e..de409e9296a24d42cef50605496efc520790559e 100755
> --- a/vm/sys/net/etc/init
> +++ b/vm/sys/net/etc/init
> @@ -1,5 +1,13 @@
>  #!/bin/execlineb -s0
>  # SPDX-License-Identifier: EUPL-1.2+
>  # SPDX-FileCopyrightText: 2022 Alyssa Ross <hi@alyssa.is>
> +# Symlink creation (if it's copyrightable):
> +# SPDX-License-Identifier: CC0-1.0
> +# SPDX-FileCopyrightText: 2025 Demi Marie Obenour <demiobenour@gmail.com>
> +
> +/usr/bin/if { /usr/bin/ln -s /proc/self/fd /dev }
> +/usr/bin/if { /usr/bin/ln -s /proc/self/fd/0 /dev/stdin }
> +/usr/bin/if { /usr/bin/ln -s /proc/self/fd/1 /dev/stdout }
> +/usr/bin/if { /usr/bin/ln -s /proc/self/fd/2 /dev/stderr }
>  
>  /bin/s6-linux-init -Bc /etc/s6-linux-init -- $@
>
> -- 
> 2.51.0

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  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-17 11:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-15  0:18 [PATCH 0/3] Minor improvements to the Spectrum OS boot process Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-15  0:18 ` [PATCH 1/3] host/initramfs: Use util-linux switch_root Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-17 11:44   ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-18  2:39     ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-19  9:12       ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-18 19:41     ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-15  0:18 ` [PATCH 2/3] Add /dev/fd and /dev/std* Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-17 11:29   ` Alyssa Ross [this message]
2025-09-15  0:19 ` [PATCH 3/3] host/rootfs: Avoid redundant mounts of /proc and /sys Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-17 11:31   ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-18  2:42     ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-19  9:16       ` Alyssa Ross
2025-09-18 19:45 ` [PATCH v2] Add /dev/fd and /dev/std* Demi Marie Obenour
2025-09-19  9:29   ` Alyssa Ross

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