On 7/27/25 18:18, Demi Marie Obenour wrote:
> On 7/26/25 06:08, Alyssa Ross wrote:
>> Demi Marie Obenour <demiobenour@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> I'm curious if Spectrum has a web submission endpoint for b4.
>>> would lower the barrier to entry for those who have bad mail
>>> clients, like the GMail web UI.
>>>
>>> I did notice that .b4-config did not mention one.
>>
>> It doesn't.  We could set one up, but I'd have to research how to
>> prevent it being used for spam, since it sounds like it would basically
>> be an open relay, and we've had a number of GMail users able to submit
>> patches successfully using git-send-email so far.  Isn't all you have to
>> do create an app-specific password and use that as your SMTP password?
> 
> b4 web submission is authenticated: the user must prove they own the
> email address before they can send as that email address.
> 
> Creating an app-specific password does work, but it isn't always
> an option:
> 
> - Enrolling in the Advanced Protection Program (recommended for the
>   very users Spectrum targets!) disables app passwords.
> 
> - Google Workspace admins can disable app passwords.
> 
> - Microsoft 365 has either removed support for SMTP basic auth
>   or will do so soon.

Looks like Microsoft 365 has fully removed basic auth support.

> OAuth is still supported, but it isn't always an option, and even
> when it is it is still a huge barrier to entry:
> 
> - Obtaining an OAuth token for SMTP requires registering an app,
>   and admins (at least in Microsoft 365) can disable that.

Apparently some programs solve this by impersonating Outlook.

> - There is no builtin OAuth support in git send-email.  There are
>   sendmail compatible CLIs that do have such support, but everyone
>   who packaged it might need to get their own client ID for legal
>   reasons.  This would also cause problems in corporate environments.

Correction: git send-email actually has OAuth2 support, but it has
no builtin way to obtain an OAuth refresh token.  There is a third-party
program (git-credential-oauth) that does support this, but it is not
installed by default.
-- 
Sincerely,
Demi Marie Obenour (she/her/hers)