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Fri, 18 Jul 2025 10:59:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2025 13:59:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: Alyssa Ross , Spectrum OS Development References: <6ab772e0-62b0-430f-8d3c-0bba79a3282c@gmail.com> <25197dbe-d642-4283-80b7-be66dcc4f4eb@gmail.com> <87jz45spqi.fsf@alyssa.is> Content-Language: en-US From: Demi Marie Obenour Autocrypt: addr=demiobenour@gmail.com; keydata= xsFNBFp+A0oBEADffj6anl9/BHhUSxGTICeVl2tob7hPDdhHNgPR4C8xlYt5q49yB+l2nipd aq+4Gk6FZfqC825TKl7eRpUjMriwle4r3R0ydSIGcy4M6eb0IcxmuPYfbWpr/si88QKgyGSV Z7GeNW1UnzTdhYHuFlk8dBSmB1fzhEYEk0RcJqg4AKoq6/3/UorR+FaSuVwT7rqzGrTlscnT DlPWgRzrQ3jssesI7sZLm82E3pJSgaUoCdCOlL7MMPCJwI8JpPlBedRpe9tfVyfu3euTPLPx wcV3L/cfWPGSL4PofBtB8NUU6QwYiQ9Hzx4xOyn67zW73/G0Q2vPPRst8LBDqlxLjbtx/WLR 6h3nBc3eyuZ+q62HS1pJ5EvUT1vjyJ1ySrqtUXWQ4XlZyoEFUfpJxJoN0A9HCxmHGVckzTRl 5FMWo8TCniHynNXsBtDQbabt7aNEOaAJdE7to0AH3T/Bvwzcp0ZJtBk0EM6YeMLtotUut7h2 Bkg1b//r6bTBswMBXVJ5H44Qf0+eKeUg7whSC9qpYOzzrm7+0r9F5u3qF8ZTx55TJc2g656C 9a1P1MYVysLvkLvS4H+crmxA/i08Tc1h+x9RRvqba4lSzZ6/Tmt60DPM5Sc4R0nSm9BBff0N m0bSNRS8InXdO1Aq3362QKX2NOwcL5YaStwODNyZUqF7izjK4QARAQABzTxEZW1pIE1hcmll IE9iZW5vdXIgKGxvdmVyIG9mIGNvZGluZykgPGRlbWlvYmVub3VyQGdtYWlsLmNvbT7CwXgE EwECACIFAlp+A0oCGwMGCwkIBwMCBhUIAgkKCwQWAgMBAh4BAheAAAoJELKItV//nCLBhr8Q AK/xrb4wyi71xII2hkFBpT59ObLN+32FQT7R3lbZRjVFjc6yMUjOb1H/hJVxx+yo5gsSj5LS 9AwggioUSrcUKldfA/PKKai2mzTlUDxTcF3vKx6iMXKA6AqwAw4B57ZEJoMM6egm57TV19kz PMc879NV2nc6+elaKl+/kbVeD3qvBuEwsTe2Do3HAAdrfUG/j9erwIk6gha/Hp9yZlCnPTX+ VK+xifQqt8RtMqS5R/S8z0msJMI/ajNU03kFjOpqrYziv6OZLJ5cuKb3bZU5aoaRQRDzkFIR 6aqtFLTohTo20QywXwRa39uFaOT/0YMpNyel0kdOszFOykTEGI2u+kja35g9TkH90kkBTG+a EWttIht0Hy6YFmwjcAxisSakBuHnHuMSOiyRQLu43ej2+mDWgItLZ48Mu0C3IG1seeQDjEYP tqvyZ6bGkf2Vj+L6wLoLLIhRZxQOedqArIk/Sb2SzQYuxN44IDRt+3ZcDqsPppoKcxSyd1Ny 2tpvjYJXlfKmOYLhTWs8nwlAlSHX/c/jz/ywwf7eSvGknToo1Y0VpRtoxMaKW1nvH0OeCSVJ itfRP7YbiRVc2aNqWPCSgtqHAuVraBRbAFLKh9d2rKFB3BmynTUpc1BQLJP8+D5oNyb8Ts4x Xd3iV/uD8JLGJfYZIR7oGWFLP4uZ3tkneDfYzsFNBFp+A0oBEAC9ynZI9LU+uJkMeEJeJyQ/ 8VFkCJQPQZEsIGzOTlPnwvVna0AS86n2Z+rK7R/usYs5iJCZ55/JISWd8xD57ue0eB47bcJv VqGlObI2DEG8TwaW0O0duRhDgzMEL4t1KdRAepIESBEA/iPpI4gfUbVEIEQuqdqQyO4GAe+M kD0Hy5JH/0qgFmbaSegNTdQg5iqYjRZ3ttiswalql1/iSyv1WYeC1OAs+2BLOAT2NEggSiVO txEfgewsQtCWi8H1SoirakIfo45Hz0tk/Ad9ZWh2PvOGt97Ka85o4TLJxgJJqGEnqcFUZnJJ riwoaRIS8N2C8/nEM53jb1sH0gYddMU3QxY7dYNLIUrRKQeNkF30dK7V6JRH7pleRlf+wQcN fRAIUrNlatj9TxwivQrKnC9aIFFHEy/0mAgtrQShcMRmMgVlRoOA5B8RTulRLCmkafvwuhs6 dCxN0GNAORIVVFxjx9Vn7OqYPgwiofZ6SbEl0hgPyWBQvE85klFLZLoj7p+joDY1XNQztmfA rnJ9x+YV4igjWImINAZSlmEcYtd+xy3Li/8oeYDAqrsnrOjb+WvGhCykJk4urBog2LNtcyCj kTs7F+WeXGUo0NDhbd3Z6AyFfqeF7uJ3D5hlpX2nI9no/ugPrrTVoVZAgrrnNz0iZG2DVx46 x913pVKHl5mlYQARAQABwsFfBBgBAgAJBQJafgNKAhsMAAoJELKItV//nCLBwNIP/AiIHE8b oIqReFQyaMzxq6lE4YZCZNj65B/nkDOvodSiwfwjjVVE2V3iEzxMHbgyTCGA67+Bo/d5aQGj gn0TPtsGzelyQHipaUzEyrsceUGWYoKXYyVWKEfyh0cDfnd9diAm3VeNqchtcMpoehETH8fr RHnJdBcjf112PzQSdKC6kqU0Q196c4Vp5HDOQfNiDnTf7gZSj0BraHOByy9LEDCLhQiCmr+2 E0rW4tBtDAn2HkT9uf32ZGqJCn1O+2uVfFhGu6vPE5qkqrbSE8TG+03H8ecU2q50zgHWPdHM OBvy3EhzfAh2VmOSTcRK+tSUe/u3wdLRDPwv/DTzGI36Kgky9MsDC5gpIwNbOJP2G/q1wT1o Gkw4IXfWv2ufWiXqJ+k7HEi2N1sree7Dy9KBCqb+ca1vFhYPDJfhP75I/VnzHVssZ/rYZ9+5 1yDoUABoNdJNSGUYl+Yh9Pw9pE3Kt4EFzUlFZWbE4xKL/NPno+z4J9aWemLLszcYz/u3XnbO vUSQHSrmfOzX3cV4yfmjM5lewgSstoxGyTx2M8enslgdXhPthZlDnTnOT+C+OTsh8+m5tos8 HQjaPM01MKBiAqdPgksm1wu2DrrwUi6ChRVTUBcj6+/9IJ81H2P2gJk3Ls3AVIxIffLoY34E +MYSfkEjBz0E8CLOcAw7JIwAaeBT Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 3/3] Run PipeWire and WirePlumber in the VMs In-Reply-To: <87jz45spqi.fsf@alyssa.is> Content-Type: multipart/signed; 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boundary="------------jFDd4JW3mZ0rAOOdZRD0mJOb"; protected-headers="v1" From: Demi Marie Obenour To: Alyssa Ross , Spectrum OS Development Message-ID: Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 3/3] Run PipeWire and WirePlumber in the VMs References: <6ab772e0-62b0-430f-8d3c-0bba79a3282c@gmail.com> <25197dbe-d642-4283-80b7-be66dcc4f4eb@gmail.com> <87jz45spqi.fsf@alyssa.is> In-Reply-To: <87jz45spqi.fsf@alyssa.is> --------------jFDd4JW3mZ0rAOOdZRD0mJOb Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------nGEw3xKYSJGaVFFI00tor6NW" --------------nGEw3xKYSJGaVFFI00tor6NW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 7/18/25 07:27, Alyssa Ross wrote: > Demi Marie Obenour writes: >=20 >> WirePlumber is completely overkill as a session manager here, and >> ideally a trivial session manager would be used instead. I did build = a >> Spectrum OS image and found that PipeWire and WirePlumber both >> successfully started. PipeWire is configured to listen on the >> PulseAudio socket, so PulseAudio compatibility works. This does injec= t >> a large number of completely unnecessary files into the VM, notably fo= r >> libcamera and Bluetooth support. >> >> Signed-off-by: Demi Marie Obenour >> --- >> >> Notes: >> I tested this with QEMU virtio-sound, but I am not sure if the par= amters >> are correct. In particular, the sample rate might well be wrong. >> >> img/app/Makefile | 28 +- >> img/app/default.nix | 18 + >> img/app/etc/pipewire/pipewire.conf | 291 ++++++++ >> .../etc/s6-rc/app/dependencies.d/directories | 0 >> .../app/dependencies.d/directories.license | 2 + >> .../etc/s6-rc/app/dependencies.d/wireplumber | 0 >> .../app/dependencies.d/wireplumber.license | 2 + >> .../etc/s6-rc/dbus/dependencies.d/directories | 0 >> .../dbus/dependencies.d/directories.license | 2 + >> img/app/etc/s6-rc/directories/type | 1 + >> img/app/etc/s6-rc/directories/type.license | 2 + >> img/app/etc/s6-rc/directories/up | 11 + >> .../s6-rc/pipewire/dependencies.d/directories | 0 >> .../dependencies.d/directories.license | 2 + >> img/app/etc/s6-rc/pipewire/notification-fd | 1 + >> .../s6-rc/pipewire/notification-fd.license | 2 + >> img/app/etc/s6-rc/pipewire/run | 20 + >> img/app/etc/s6-rc/pipewire/type | 1 + >> img/app/etc/s6-rc/pipewire/type.license | 2 + >> .../dependencies.d/directories | 0 >> .../dependencies.d/directories.license | 2 + >> img/app/etc/s6-rc/wayland-proxy-virtwl/run | 11 - >> .../etc/s6-rc/wireplumber/dependencies.d/dbus | 0 >> .../wireplumber/dependencies.d/dbus.license | 2 + >> .../s6-rc/wireplumber/dependencies.d/pipewire | 0 >> .../dependencies.d/pipewire.license | 2 + >> img/app/etc/s6-rc/wireplumber/run | 4 + >> img/app/etc/s6-rc/wireplumber/type | 1 + >> img/app/etc/s6-rc/wireplumber/type.license | 2 + >> img/app/etc/wireplumber/wireplumber.conf | 676 +++++++++++++++++= + >=20 > The PipeWire and WirePlumber config files are still very big. Is it > really not possible to make them smaller and rely on defaults where > possible? With a whole big config like this, it's difficult to see wha= t > Spectrum-specific stuff is going on. Both of these files are *smaller* than their upstream counterparts. The main Spectrum-specific stuff is: - Nodes are statically set up. This is because PipeWire relies on udev to enumerate device nodes, and Spectrum VMs don't have udev. - A lot of stuff in the upstream configuration files has been removed. Spectrum's configs should be *smaller* than their upstream counterparts. Neither PipeWire nor WirePlumber has much in the way of a default configuration. Without a configuration file, neither PipeWire nor WirePlumber does anything useful. Overriding the defaults and using the upstream configuration file might be possible, but it seemed unlikely when I looked. Spectrum VMs are more like embedded systems than the desktop systems the defaults are made for. I recommend not including any of the upstream configuration files and only an allowlist of SPA plugins and PipeWire and WirePlumber modules. Stuff like Bluetooth can also be excluded. Just because upstream nixpkgs pulls it in as a dependency does not mean the configuration in the VM actually needs it. Ideally, the various plugins and modules would all be separate build outputs with their own dependencies, and =E2=80=98pipewire=E2=80=99= and =E2=80=98wireplumber=E2=80=99 would be meta-packages that pull in all of = them. >> diff --git a/img/app/default.nix b/img/app/default.nix >> index 740643ac41f6473cdb6f6b0fd1f5f47f4493240d..8c469ee5b9a672bf650460= 0b09ff1f57fb87f2d9 100644 >> --- a/img/app/default.nix >> +++ b/img/app/default.nix >> @@ -26,6 +26,20 @@ let >> CONFIG_FEATURE_IP_ROUTE y >> CONFIG_INIT n >> CONFIG_IP y >> + CONFIG_FACTOR n >> + CONFIG_FOLD n >> + CONFIG_LSSCSI n >> + CONFIG_NANDWRITE n >> + CONFIG_NANDDUMP n >> + CONFIG_RAIDAUTORUN n >> + CONFIG_RFKILL n >> + CONFIG_UBIATTACH n >> + CONFIG_UBIDETACH n >> + CONFIG_UBIMKVOL n >> + CONFIG_UBIRMVOL n >> + CONFIG_UBIRSVOL n >> + CONFIG_UBIUPDATEVOL n >> + CONFIG_UBIRENAME n >=20 > Do these all conflict with PipeWire/WirePlumber/PulseAudio?? Nope. This should have been a separate patch. 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