From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on atuin.qyliss.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.6 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_PASS autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 Received: by atuin.qyliss.net (Postfix, from userid 496) id 61580B2C2; Fri, 12 Nov 2021 10:48:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from atuin.qyliss.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by atuin.qyliss.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E83ECB1EB; Fri, 12 Nov 2021 10:48:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by atuin.qyliss.net (Postfix, from userid 496) id 98118B1D6; Fri, 12 Nov 2021 10:48:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from out5-smtp.messagingengine.com (out5-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.29]) by atuin.qyliss.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 90F9BB1D4 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2021 10:48:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute3.internal (compute3.nyi.internal [10.202.2.43]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60E5C5C02B5; Fri, 12 Nov 2021 05:48:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute3.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 12 Nov 2021 05:48:09 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alyssa.is; h= from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type; s=fm1; bh=K48o9lxlUV4TkY4sCZXk1Zc0gR 30BI6MxDqOlDTD5a8=; b=coteEWLQYWF0+3gZsjpnmG5FWnlN5nwLGxGTYAJIAF nsxSqp00qsUvhojKYE1/BqoEEpHNZFtXPxVhXq9EaS/fed35IQwSsLUBH6b2nEqH yL/RY6kFU83rlMPmoWPJLlQsvXTo7Qc+EQ0DQQc1esPK3MmElqL3NnAT9Sd+a16J W8shPja0f4rRn0XRfOCQSGEFBGJMHEP5Jv4y1zXpdantPPy5/fm7rCuU0P2zaef2 5+R8lUTlrTQBaQOgEbTPiYI2CDvFwQJU96bGUFuUJSascpMwaCmc/FSbcqiWWzpH UqAwT0WxPkhB4QLyl5WfBs/FHKxaneo5EXZI1jcNhOVw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-proxy :x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=K48o9l xlUV4TkY4sCZXk1Zc0gR30BI6MxDqOlDTD5a8=; b=LuSBX/ZyGtgTIzeshXniTf LItsF0Vz9DXPTPhIdlsj6NZ6apvOIh2tL5sV90ccjOo9cP4ds/XC+TZ1wDgmAhWE a/yxxctoDXhrwddACyp3xUEaXh79y77N9hmsGVjHwkUcGNnboHMWWswx5yz7HdcZ sGWbtphf8nEJp9f9p/1kC991g2pkeCUGFQfEDHzQ2RGpZ7s8gdq7Cg93Ye7fwTVD V3ZaYbEI23GE/XFZMXp08xagF08EXeAKfRIYPbjPDwmAITAQDzZvjQ1xZ/K0Rk2q 36LNyqAUFOQGaIUqHUxe5Bq+yFlDHR3MiSOAaxfd8d0S0pS5j5yC2FJTbGc18pgw == X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvuddrvdefgddujecutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhephffvufgjfhffkfggtgesghdtreertd dttdenucfhrhhomheptehlhihsshgrucftohhsshcuoehhihesrghlhihsshgrrdhisheq necuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepkeevteeiueduheeggeeiheelgedugeefieevvefgvdfhff eghffgtefffeffheetnecuffhomhgrihhnpehrohhstghiughushdrtghomhenucevlhhu shhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehhihesrghlhihssh grrdhish X-ME-Proxy: Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Fri, 12 Nov 2021 05:48:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by x220.qyliss.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7B93B212; Fri, 12 Nov 2021 10:48:07 +0000 (UTC) From: Alyssa Ross To: Thomas Leonard Subject: Re: New user getting started questions In-Reply-To: References: <87ble2czx6.fsf@alyssa.is> <87lfcvn1ln.fsf@alyssa.is> <87bldrn0kh.fsf@alyssa.is> <20210309162556.ctiy3yfp7plkbdqs@x220.qyliss.net> <87o871tqqu.fsf@alyssa.is> <87bl2sp3p3.fsf@alyssa.is> <871r3nq77p.fsf@alyssa.is> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 10:47:44 +0000 Message-ID: <87v90xd50v.fsf@alyssa.is> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Message-ID-Hash: FKJ56RDCVLK6DLARW3LTN4HEZ2ZZJWC7 X-Message-ID-Hash: FKJ56RDCVLK6DLARW3LTN4HEZ2ZZJWC7 X-MailFrom: hi@alyssa.is X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-config-1; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: Michael Raskin <7c6f434c@mail.ru>, discuss@spectrum-os.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.4 Precedence: list List-Id: General high-level discussion about Spectrum Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Thomas Leonard writes: > On Thu, 11 Nov 2021 at 11:09, Alyssa Ross wrote: >> >> Thomas Leonard writes: >> >> > Correct; the proxy acts as the X11 window manager to Xwayland, and >> > just talks plain Wayland to the host. In fact, I managed to work >> > around several problems with Sway's built-in Xwayland integration by >> > using the proxy instead, even on the host (see >> > https://roscidus.com/blog/blog/2021/10/30/xwayland/#bonus-features). >> >> By the way, I'm very curious about "[com] is a SpectrumOS VM I use for >> email, etc.". _I_ don't even consider myself to be running Spectrum, >> because as far as I'm concerned there's no integrated system to run yet. >> So what's in that VM that you consider to be Spectrum? :) > > Well, I think of it as a spectrum VM, but I guess it has changed a > bit! It's based on your demo VM from early 2021, running Wayfire under > Sommelier. Except I replaced Sommelier with my proxy, and I removed > Wayfire. Instead, it runs "socat vsock-listen:5000 exec:dash" in a > loop and I can launch programs inside it from the host by writing to > the vsock. e.g. I have a "ff-com" command to launch Firefox in the com > VM. It's a bit more Qubes-like than Spectrum really. I also got it to > get the applications from the main NixOS repository, as they're more > up-to-date, and I replaced the kernel with a newer one because I > needed better io_uring support for another project. But your basic > build structure and execline boot scripts are still there! > > It was a useful skeleton, but now I understand how it works, I should > probably replace it with something more standard... Wow, I'm amazed by how useful that's been to you! I'm shocked to learn anybody has ever used that for more than running the demo. I guess the only thing you're still getting from it that's non-standard is the Chromium kernel? 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