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Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87h7vdqqw4.fsf@alyssa.is> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="BlKQiE1jDa7VXo5fg4M3N1Wmn4ugtqLh6" Sender: rysiek@boston-packets.hackerspace.pl Message-ID-Hash: UPJAE5L3SPR3QD557C4NEHXR4TKJ2SMQ X-Message-ID-Hash: UPJAE5L3SPR3QD557C4NEHXR4TKJ2SMQ X-MailFrom: rysiek@boston-packets.hackerspace.pl X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-config-1; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.1 Precedence: list List-Id: General high-level discussion about Spectrum Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --BlKQiE1jDa7VXo5fg4M3N1Wmn4ugtqLh6 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="BGs4RyKpCyz0VoJEwW2DR27seSC3ghoyP"; protected-headers="v1" From: =?UTF-8?B?TWljaGHFgiAicnlzaWVrIiBXb8W6bmlhaw==?= To: discuss@spectrum-os.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: Comparison to Qubes OS References: <87o8pnci1i.fsf@alyssa.is> <159216598815.15924.16535121967350748778@localhost> <87h7vdqqw4.fsf@alyssa.is> In-Reply-To: <87h7vdqqw4.fsf@alyssa.is> --BGs4RyKpCyz0VoJEwW2DR27seSC3ghoyP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 6/14/20 9:27 PM, Alyssa Ross wrote: >> So, why not start a public discussion in Qubes' mailing list on issue >> tracker to figure out what is needed to accomplish Spectrum's goals? >> >> It will probably turn out that you made the right decision by starting= >> a separate project, but at the very least: >> - You'll may get attention from people who can contribute to Spectrum >> - The issues involved with be publicly documented and searchable for >> future generations >=20 > I think you maybe don't appreciate just how huge an undertaking this > would be. There is so much that would have to change about how Qubes > works that I think you'd end up having to reimplement most of it > anyway, but you'd be doing it bit by bit, never having the opportunity > to consider the system as a whole. Plus, SpectrumOS does not have to deal with backwards compatibility. If Q= ubesOS developers were to start implementing these changes, they would constantl= y have to deal with trade-offs between ease of implementing them and the cost of= breaking backwards compatibility. > At the end of the day I just don't believe that trying to shoehorn thes= e > changes into Qubes is the best way to make progress. It might well be > valuable to try that, but even so it would make much more sense for > somebody who believes in that approach to dedicate the huge amount of > effort required to attempt it, rather than me. This could be another > effort that could be pursued in parallel to my work on Spectrum. Very much this. -- Best, r --BGs4RyKpCyz0VoJEwW2DR27seSC3ghoyP-- --BlKQiE1jDa7VXo5fg4M3N1Wmn4ugtqLh6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQKTBAEBCgB9FiEEKiEppFKtTzw/7i97UjhxPYWQBB0FAl7moolfFIAAAAAALgAo aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldDJB MjEyOUE0NTJBRDRGM0MzRkVFMkY3QjUyMzg3MTNEODU5MDA0MUQACgkQUjhxPYWQ BB3A5w/5Aa0PnmyOmKPvMURQTymXN0ivkIKAZB7GpX+G+FGryGY/8dVU35oHNkfa pDLDY/ECB69FPOxltvK4qtXnh+yrNizzGipZJoidhugIOQ8+9JLN618VQKItTrps CaXCWKwHbib5gY/8iIYWQflNkP1jqXo+ph3fqtzYkEQUcpX6PICEpwbACpLgphPy Nssw65BzYMzr9qPDSWCrcEq+Ys8yojutWOs5E1Q2ndLp0lm+5FLwu9lhQTOIp/lu Gd3ceSznVcvsV1ewJeOTQEA3WvYlD6bml9DRbGE6Ip6dSHPOHEISlqIqgg4qwsLJ 3GpdQ3YlkH93b8qGWRRHt8KZP8Uht85Q+laWbdqCWPcwj+khIt+IPdUnAfBW6BwT V78xSwAA8hHq/J9lJ7LGCF8foX7DWIVP8ULWXSYHUq1nOoPMMnRMtUudk0yr05ET Kex5KY9Lu2Ij9rjYUUccV+CXgG1q7Vjm8uwh1diCNGT2hU72vWmTARYVrXzQIQKi xgHMcg7GjZAFR+I+vcm5MBrHzzCp9+dvdnI+uhmOVWYifzAQ8FLwxo+93PDdZVf7 0equ77JxZUMQnQhnaI8vd4uGrcfLmS5weAxQEDlXv1+WbXudA6OqEaZaHTNpFM31 Z86oUQd20LmCSlSieI0ktLihEikGjcKmg/+aG2PXQbCFATEiQ7A= =RaCd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --BlKQiE1jDa7VXo5fg4M3N1Wmn4ugtqLh6--