From: Alyssa Ross <hi@alyssa.is>
To: Valentin Gagarin <valentin@gagarin.work>
Cc: devel@spectrum-os.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/2] Documentation: reword the distinctive feature of shared state
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2026 15:24:43 +0200 [thread overview]
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Valentin Gagarin <valentin@gagarin.work> writes:
> This changes front-page wording in load-bearing ways, for reasons that
> may be non-obvious.
>
> The overarching idea is to reduce the textual surface area, for instance
> by replacing arbitrary examples with subsuming terms, while
> staying very specific with what is to be conveyed and where possible
> making it more relatable to the intended audience.
>
> - Split into shorter sentences
>
> Each one is focused on describing a separate idea. The second idea is
> more complex and warrants more words, so having a dedicated sentence
> avoids losing the reader.
>
> - s/User data and application state/Persistent data/
>
> The focus of the sentence is the central management. By being a bit
> more general while technically still very specific (all persistent
> data is the same from the perspective of the system) we save the
> attention for the important part.
>
> - s/remaining isolated/applications remain isolated/
>
> The data being isolated never made sense; it's the applications'
> access to it that is isolated. The phrasing chosen is more compact but
> still correct, and leaves room for expanding on the isolation in
> a separate paragraph.
>
> - s/several dozen/many/
>
> The particular number doesn't matter, and may be arbitrarily wrong in
> practice. The point is that there's fragmentation. The snark about
> any large number is unnecessary if we put the real problem in the
> foreground.
>
> - s/mixed up in//
>
> It could be that entanglement is an issue, but fragmentation seems to
> be the bigger issue. In any case, the original sentence was awkward
> grammatically, because it tried putting together how a system is
> handled with what the system is like.
>
> - s/managed as a whole/still treated as a whole/
>
> We're already saying "managed" in the first sentence. Managing
> the system is very different from managing state. We need to be
> careful with using words without prior definitions, so the best we can
> do here is avoid inadvertent conflation. There is enough potential
> for confusion as it is.
>
> "still" acknowledges the traditional single-system experience that
> Spectrum preserves by design.
>
> - s/backed up and//
>
> The difficulty of backing up is a specific instance of the
> fragmentation problem. But this is likely only evident to Qubes
> users. We can expect most readers to know about it theoretically at
> best. While it's not wrong to have this sort of anchor, keeping it
> risks diluting the main message.
>
> - "each becoming a system of its own"
>
> This captures the Qubes failure mode Spectrum avoids, where per-VM state
> accumulation forces operators into what amounts to orchestrating
> a cluster on one's desktop.
>
> In the original, the contrast to Qubes would not be as strong for
> people only familiar with it superficially. Being more explicit about
> the nature of the problem helps establishing the narrative frame and
> original motivation of Spectrum early on, part of which is overcoming
> Qubes limitations.
>
> Signed-off-by: Valentin Gagarin <valentin@gagarin.work>
> ---
> Documentation/index.html | 8 ++++----
> 1 file changed, 4 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-)
>
> diff --git a/Documentation/index.html b/Documentation/index.html
> index a717d2c..6d4f07b 100644
> --- a/Documentation/index.html
> +++ b/Documentation/index.html
> @@ -22,10 +22,10 @@ lower barrier to entry and to be easier to use and maintain than other
> such systems.
>
> <p>
> -User data and application state will be managed centrally, while
> -remaining isolated, meaning that the system can be backed up and
> -managed as a whole, rather than mixed up in several dozen virtual
> -machines.
> +Persistent data will be managed centrally, while
> +applications remain isolated. This means that the system can still be
> +thought of as a whole, rather than many virtual
> +machines each becoming a system of its own.
I'm convinced, I think. Lines are a bit ragged though so I'll rewrap
when applying.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-06-22 13:24 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-06-17 13:24 [PATCH] Documentation: reword the distinctive feature of shared state Valentin Gagarin
2026-06-17 16:55 ` Alyssa Ross
2026-06-17 19:40 ` Valentin Gagarin
2026-06-19 14:54 ` Alyssa Ross
2026-06-22 9:55 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] " Valentin Gagarin
2026-06-22 9:55 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] Documentation: sketch the threat model on the front page Valentin Gagarin
2026-06-22 13:26 ` Alyssa Ross
2026-06-22 17:55 ` Valentin Gagarin
2026-06-24 8:57 ` Alyssa Ross
2026-06-24 12:18 ` Alyssa Ross
2026-06-22 13:24 ` Alyssa Ross [this message]
2026-06-22 13:28 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] Documentation: reword the distinctive feature of shared state Alyssa Ross
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