From: Alyssa Ross <hi@alyssa.is>
To: Valentin Gagarin <valentin@gagarin.work>
Cc: devel@spectrum-os.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Documentation: reword the distinctive feature of shared state
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2026 18:55:47 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87o6h9p0mk.fsf@alyssa.is> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260617132414.103828-1-valentin@gagarin.work>
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Valentin Gagarin <valentin@gagarin.work> writes:
> This changes front-page wording in load-bearing ways, for reasons that
> may be non-obvious:
Wow, I love the explanation/diff ratio here!
> - Split into shorter sentences
>
> Each one is focused on describing a separate idea. The second idea is
> more complex and warrants more words, so having a dedicated sentence
> avoids losing the reader.
>
> - s/several dozen/many/
>
> The particular number doesn't matter, and may be arbitrarily wrong in
> practice. The point is that there's fragmentation. The snark about
> any large number is unnecessary if we put the real problem in the
> foreground.
>
> - s/mixed up in//
>
> It could be that entanglement is an issue, but fragmentation seems to
> be the bigger issue. In any case, the original sentence was awkward
> grammatically, because it tried putting together how a system is
> handled with what the system is like.
>
> - s/managed as a whole/still treated as a whole/
>
> We're already saying "managed" in the first sentence. Managing
> the system is very different from managing state. We need to be
> careful with using words without prior definitions, so the best we can
> do here is avoid inadvertent conflation. There is enough potential
> for confusion as it is.
>
> "still" acknowledges the traditional single-system experience that
> Spectrum preserves by design.
The "still" appears to have got lost from the actual diff. Should I put
it back in?
> - s/backed up and//
>
> The difficulty of backing up is a specific instance of the
> fragmentation problem. But this is likely only evident to Qubes
> users. We can expect most readers to know about it theoretically at
> best. While it's not wrong to have this sort of anchor, keeping it
> risks diluting the main message.
I'm concerned that removing the more specific verbs here might make it
more difficult to understand /why/ treating the system as a whole is
desirable. We don't have to be so specific as to call out backups or
management, but I think without talking about something more specific,
even if that's just "thinking", as in "one only needs to think about a
single system", it loses its motivation.
> - "each becoming a system of its own"
>
> This captures the Qubes failure mode Spectrum avoids, where per-VM state
> accumulation forces operators into what amounts to orchestrating
> a cluster on one's desktop.
>
> In the original, the contrast to Qubes would not be as strong for
> people only familiar with it superficially. Being more explicit about
> the nature of the problem helps establishing the narrative frame and
> original motivation of Spectrum early on, part of which is overcoming
> Qubes limitations.
Missing Signed-off-by.
> ---
> Documentation/index.html | 6 +++---
> 1 file changed, 3 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
>
> diff --git a/Documentation/index.html b/Documentation/index.html
> index 6d6faf7..0ea0a2f 100644
> --- a/Documentation/index.html
> +++ b/Documentation/index.html
> @@ -23,9 +23,9 @@ such systems.
>
> <p>
> User data and application state will be managed centrally, while
> -remaining isolated, meaning that the system can be backed up and
> -managed as a whole, rather than mixed up in several dozen virtual
> -machines.
> +remaining isolated. This means that the system can be
> +treated as a whole, rather than many virtual
> +machines each becoming a system of its own.
>
> <p>
> Spectrum is an upstream-first project. Wherever possible, we aim to
> --
> 2.54.0
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-06-17 16:55 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-06-17 13:24 [PATCH] Documentation: reword the distinctive feature of shared state Valentin Gagarin
2026-06-17 16:55 ` Alyssa Ross [this message]
2026-06-17 19:40 ` Valentin Gagarin
2026-06-19 14:54 ` Alyssa Ross
2026-06-22 9:55 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] " Valentin Gagarin
2026-06-22 9:55 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] Documentation: sketch the threat model on the front page Valentin Gagarin
2026-06-22 13:26 ` Alyssa Ross
2026-06-22 17:55 ` Valentin Gagarin
2026-06-24 8:57 ` Alyssa Ross
2026-06-24 12:18 ` Alyssa Ross
2026-06-22 13:24 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] Documentation: reword the distinctive feature of shared state Alyssa Ross
2026-06-22 13:28 ` Alyssa Ross
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