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From: Alyssa Ross <hi@alyssa.is>
To: Valentin Gagarin <valentin@gagarin.work>
Cc: devel@spectrum-os.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Documentation: reword the distinctive feature of shared state
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2026 18:55:47 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87o6h9p0mk.fsf@alyssa.is> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260617132414.103828-1-valentin@gagarin.work>

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Valentin Gagarin <valentin@gagarin.work> writes:

> This changes front-page wording in load-bearing ways, for reasons that
> may be non-obvious:

Wow, I love the explanation/diff ratio here!

> - Split into shorter sentences
>
>   Each one is focused on describing a separate idea.  The second idea is
>   more complex and warrants more words, so having a dedicated sentence
>   avoids losing the reader.
>
> - s/several dozen/many/
>
>   The particular number doesn't matter, and may be arbitrarily wrong in
>   practice.  The point is that there's fragmentation.  The snark about
>   any large number is unnecessary if we put the real problem in the
>   foreground.
>
> - s/mixed up in//
>
>   It could be that entanglement is an issue, but fragmentation seems to
>   be the bigger issue.  In any case, the original sentence was awkward
>   grammatically, because it tried putting together how a system is
>   handled with what the system is like.
>
> - s/managed as a whole/still treated as a whole/
>
>   We're already saying "managed" in the first sentence.  Managing
>   the system is very different from managing state.  We need to be
>   careful with using words without prior definitions, so the best we can
>   do here is avoid inadvertent conflation.  There is enough potential
>   for confusion as it is.
>
>   "still" acknowledges the traditional single-system experience that
>   Spectrum preserves by design.

The "still" appears to have got lost from the actual diff.  Should I put
it back in?

> - s/backed up and//
>
>   The difficulty of backing up is a specific instance of the
>   fragmentation problem.  But this is likely only evident to Qubes
>   users.  We can expect most readers to know about it theoretically at
>   best.  While it's not wrong to have this sort of anchor, keeping it
>   risks diluting the main message.

I'm concerned that removing the more specific verbs here might make it
more difficult to understand /why/ treating the system as a whole is
desirable.  We don't have to be so specific as to call out backups or
management, but I think without talking about something more specific,
even if that's just "thinking", as in "one only needs to think about a
single system", it loses its motivation.

> - "each becoming a system of its own"
>
>   This captures the Qubes failure mode Spectrum avoids, where per-VM state
>   accumulation forces operators into what amounts to orchestrating
>   a cluster on one's desktop.
>
>   In the original, the contrast to Qubes would not be as strong for
>   people only familiar with it superficially.  Being more explicit about
>   the nature of the problem helps establishing the narrative frame and
>   original motivation of Spectrum early on, part of which is overcoming
>   Qubes limitations.

Missing Signed-off-by.

> ---
>  Documentation/index.html | 6 +++---
>  1 file changed, 3 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
>
> diff --git a/Documentation/index.html b/Documentation/index.html
> index 6d6faf7..0ea0a2f 100644
> --- a/Documentation/index.html
> +++ b/Documentation/index.html
> @@ -23,9 +23,9 @@ such systems.
>  
>  <p>
>  User data and application state will be managed centrally, while
> -remaining isolated, meaning that the system can be backed up and
> -managed as a whole, rather than mixed up in several dozen virtual
> -machines.
> +remaining isolated.  This means that the system can be
> +treated as a whole, rather than many virtual
> +machines each becoming a system of its own.
>  
>  <p>
>  Spectrum is an upstream-first project.  Wherever possible, we aim to
> -- 
> 2.54.0

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  reply	other threads:[~2026-06-17 16:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-06-17 13:24 [PATCH] Documentation: reword the distinctive feature of shared state Valentin Gagarin
2026-06-17 16:55 ` Alyssa Ross [this message]
2026-06-17 19:40   ` Valentin Gagarin
2026-06-19 14:54     ` Alyssa Ross
2026-06-22  9:55 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] " Valentin Gagarin
2026-06-22  9:55   ` [PATCH v2 2/2] Documentation: sketch the threat model on the front page Valentin Gagarin
2026-06-22 13:26     ` Alyssa Ross
2026-06-22 17:55       ` Valentin Gagarin
2026-06-24  8:57     ` Alyssa Ross
2026-06-24 12:18     ` Alyssa Ross
2026-06-22 13:24   ` [PATCH v2 1/2] Documentation: reword the distinctive feature of shared state Alyssa Ross
2026-06-22 13:28   ` Alyssa Ross

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