From: colby@colbyt.com
To: Alyssa Ross <hi@alyssa.is>
Cc: devel@spectrum-os.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/5] vm: boot sub-VMs from dm-verity roots and enable IPE
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2026 23:16:50 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <HNpTXhvFWbuw-PNsOybYq6gFnwZdaVoI_e6YFFlv5v2VbPWqa4kCwLv84RjTNfTkvAZO0bunc9UXH6l5X0I0YPn0SnVBRHqUeop-IKcsr7Q=@colbyt.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <878q7twlps.fsf@alyssa.is>
So instinctively the path I took there was to do IPE on apple end to end from host to VM in an accountability chain, but not sure of the validity of my taste there -- I just like treating internal assumptions as hostile instead of trusted -- I was hoping to achieve an inter-vm attestation system which would use things like this, but tbh did not think deeply.
On Thursday, July 2nd, 2026 at 7:22 AM, Alyssa Ross <hi@alyssa.is> wrote:
> colby@colbyt.com writes:
>
> > Yes this is me laying the groundwork for/ trying to solve
> >
> > "Look into Integrity Policy Enhancement LSM
> > Apparently this enforces that executables must be authenticated by dm-verity. Could we use this?"
> >
> > I may have forgotten to push all the files but I got it implemented and working --- only I did not want to push actual IPE policies in a patch, as that has a substantial possibility to break things.
>
> Ah, yes. I meant IPE on the host when I wrote that. I'll update the
> text to make that clearer. I don't immediately see any value in IPE in
> VMs.
>
> > On Friday, June 26th, 2026 at 8:15 AM, Alyssa Ross <hi@alyssa.is> wrote:
> >
> >> colbyt <colby@colbyt.com> writes:
> >>
> >> > This series changes the app VM and net VM root images to boot through
> >> > dm-verity, then enables IPE kernel support for the sub-VMs and the
> >> > Spectrum host rootfs.
> >> >
> >> > Each sub-VM disk now has a verity metadata partition and an EROFS root
> >> > partition. The build installs the root hash next to the disk image, and
> >> > the VM boot paths pass that hash to a shared initramfs. The initramfs
> >> > uses the hash to find both partitions, opens /dev/mapper/root-verity, and
> >> > switches into it read-only.
> >> >
> >> > The last two patches only enable kernel support for IPE. They do not
> >> > install an IPE policy. With the existing generated kernel config,
> >> > enabling SECURITY_IPE also enables the dm-verity root-hash provider, so
> >> > later policy work can match files from verified roots.
> >>
> >> Would you mind explaining your motivation / the direction you envisage
> >> here in a bit more detail? Given that the VM gets its root file system
> >> and the corresponding verity hash from the same place (the host file
> >> system), there's no immediate security benefit from using dm-verity,
> >> right? Is the idea rather to enable some sort of cool IPE thing for
> >> which dm-verity is a requirement, but that's not implemented yet as part
> >> of this series?
> >>
> >> (I really appreciate the quality of your patches BTW — you've obviously
> >> gone to some effort to identify and follow all the tiny little
> >> conventions we have in the codebase. Thank you!)
> >>
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-07-02 23:17 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-06-25 20:20 [PATCH 0/5] vm: boot sub-VMs from dm-verity roots and enable IPE colbyt
2026-06-25 20:20 ` [PATCH 1/5] vm: generate dm-verity metadata for sub-VM roots colbyt
2026-06-25 20:20 ` [PATCH 2/5] vm: add shared initramfs for verified roots colbyt
2026-06-25 20:20 ` [PATCH 3/5] vm: boot sub-VMs through " colbyt
2026-06-25 20:20 ` [PATCH 4/5] vm: enable IPE in sub-VM kernels colbyt
2026-06-25 20:20 ` [PATCH 5/5] host/rootfs: enable IPE in the host kernel colbyt
2026-07-02 13:44 ` Alyssa Ross
2026-06-26 15:14 ` [PATCH 0/5] vm: boot sub-VMs from dm-verity roots and enable IPE Alyssa Ross
2026-06-26 19:12 ` colby
2026-07-02 13:43 ` Alyssa Ross
2026-07-02 23:16 ` colby [this message]
2026-07-03 14:06 ` Alyssa Ross
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